Islamic Governments Behind Mosque-Building In The West For The Proliferation Of Political Islamic
Political "correctness" was political stupidity. Now it's political Catastrophe, and we should start calling it as such.
Alert To All Western Populations
Tolerance must end for reasons of YOUR self-defense. Take lesson from the populations that did not heed the warning and offered a hand to the muslims, yet had to learn that they not only taken the hand, but the whole arm, the whole country, and if you resist, then it's your whole body they'll put to rest in coffins.
The bad news:
Mosques, are meant to be the most visible advanced posts for the ongoing confrontation with the West.
The good news: None
The inevitable result:
For every action, there is an equal (if not bigger in size) and opposite (in direction) reaction force, once western populations realize, they're being auctioned by their governments to their highest islamic special interests, and reach the point of no return for their self-defense.
While Islamic governments resist political islam in their own countries to eliminate competition and protect their grip on power, they buid mosques in the west to advance their political islamic agenga, and leverage their extortion, and threats of westrn governments. While in the mean time, closing churches, and systematically ethnic cleansing Christian and othe religious minorities in the countries they dominate.
Anyone with eyes to see, cannot notice the frenetic, ever bigger mega mosque and islamic centers-building momentum in every western country. To create the most visible sign of islamic colconization and supremacy. Perfectly in line with a strategy, planned at the highest level of many islamic governments for the purpose of attracting more converts, radicalizing the new muslim generations, building their troops, imposing the Sharia Law, diluting our values, eroding our way of life, and suppressing our resistance against islamic hegemony.
On April 6, I wrote this on the strategy of mosque-building, under this title:
Muhammad and muslims used mosques as command centers to launch their attacks
"The cornerstone of that visibility strategy is the mosques' blitzkrieg accross the Western world. Not for prayers, but to change the Western skyline and make it a fait accompli for western populations, that islam is cast in stone. All this financed by Saudi and other wealthy gulf arabs, not for the purpose of co-habitation and assimilation, but occupation, intimidation, subjugation and confrontation."
We have a case study report from Austria, but it's valid for every western country (thanks to Elisabeth who send it in).
Sedat Pero, a Turkish- born of Kurdish descent, a very courageous Muslim, considering himself "oriental" and says that he will always remain so . Is making a statement exposing the mosque-building subversion strategy regarding austria and europe, and a strong one it is!
The battle of the mosque-building in Austria (and the West)
There are currently three hotspots regarding mosques (including the works such as minarets): One is located in the provincial capital of Linz, about 120 miles west of Vienna. Another mosque is planned in Bad Vöslau, a small town south of Vienna. The hottest spot, however, is located in Vienna, in the district of Brigittenau, a district with one of the highest percentage of immigrants (read Muslims) in Austria.
The mosque in question already exists. It was built in 1996 to cater to 250 worshipers and is run by ATIB, the Turkish-Islamic Union for Cultural and Social Cooperation in Austria. According to ATIB’s website, its members are Turks, Austrians of Turkish descent, and Muslims. ATIB’s purpose is, of course, intercultural dialogue as well as assistance in integration matters. Its principles sound even better: they are based on equality among all humans and racial and sexual non-discrimination. They obviously do not elaborate.
Background
ATIB has been planning the massive enlargement of this mosque for the past decade. These plans include the erection of a larger mosque with a total of 1,500 m2 and a capacity of 1,000 worshipers, a Turkish supermarket (why Turkish? An Austrian supermarket isn’t good enough?), a kindergarten, seminar rooms, as well as apartments. These plans go far beyond the argument of “free religious practice” in order to build a large mosque. The area surrounding the mosque is bound to become a pilgrimage center. The already unbearable effects of this cultural center include noise, exhaust pollution, and a lack of parking. The organizers of the civil resistance group are demanding the shutdown of this Islamic center and its moving to a suitable location outside residential areas.
In the lates 1990’s local (including socialist) politicians strongly objected to the proposed center as it contradicts all objectives of urban development, which include:
• Densely constructed residential areas
• Areas with reduced traffic
• Reduced quality of living
• And predicted conflicts and tension between religious community and citizens
Now, in 2008, all promises are forgotten and broken by the socialist politicians. The socialists hold the majority in the district parliament. The civil resistance group adheres to the practice of free religious practice, but if an attempt of living side by side peacefully fails, integration is considered an invasion; if an offer for participation results in ATIB’s takeover, tolerance must end for reasons of self-defense. They have repeatedly offered a hand to their Muslim neighbors, yet had to learn that the Muslims had not only taken the hand, but the whole arm.
The group took to the streets, organizing a demonstration to protest ATIB’s plans to enlarge the mosque. The 1,000 protestors were summarily denounced as “racist” and “Nazis”. Ms. Yilmaz, a headscarf-wearing socialist member of the Vienna city council, called the men and women demonstrating against the construction of the ATIB mosque, “a mob planning to burn down mosques”.
ATIB argues: ATIB has the right to build mosques, and it will do so whatever happens. “We will build this mosque no matter what!”
Notice the challenge, the aggressive threatning and confrontational tone, "We will build this mosque no matter what." Western populations will undoubtely, and soon, find out what the, "no matter what," means.
Last Thursday, 200 worried citizens attended a public meeting in order to learn about Islam and its dangers. Christian Zeitz, chairman of the recently founded “Mission Europa”, spoke about Islam, its historical background, its claims, the dangers. He argued that mosques discourage integration; they cannot be compared to Christian churches. A mosque’s functions include providing schooling and social activities, around the clock!
The Turkish-born primary school teacher of Kurdish descent, Sedat Pero, held a passionate speech about the true goals of ATIB and its cronies. Sedat has lived in Austria for the past 10 years, speaks impeccable German, and teaches at a primary school in Brigittenau. This man is true gold! What a brave man! He needs police protection soon. Here’s what he said:
“Two issues have so far been ignored (by politicians and citizens alike) which should have been discussed on a critical level and in a proper language: Integration and Islam in Austria. For many years we believed everything is all right in Austria.
Integration has failed!
My questions are therefore:
- Why do people from other countries want to build so many mosques in Austria?
- What is behind all this?
- Who is behind all this
There are more than 260 mosques and cultural clubs and unions in Austria. Regarding mosques and Islam in Austria, Pero says, we have to talk about a slowly rising, highly political Islam and not about freedom of religion.
The problem is not noise pollution but political Islam slowly and systematically creeping into Europe with the help of the continent’s laws on religious freedom.
Turkish Islam exclusively serves the proliferation of Turkish nationalism and the backward Turkish political system. Yesterday it was Telfs (province of Tyrol), today it is Brigittenau and Cologne. And it’s always the people from Turkey who are the problem.
Turkey is behind most mosque-building in Europe. It’s systematic. Let me clarify this: it is not the Islamistic parties who are backing this; it’s the Turkish system. Secular and Islamistic parties, there’s no difference in reality. Just ask those people building the mosques what they think about the Armenian genocide. They will all tell you that it’s an international lie. Even the parties on the left in parliament will tell you that.
We have to get to know this mentality. Turkish prime minster, Reccep Tayyip Erdogan, says: “Don’t assimilate, assimilation is the greatest crime.” But in saying this, Erdogan is the biggest criminal. Let’s look at minorities in Turkey. Ethnic minorities are made Turkish, religious minorities are islamized. There are 20 million Alevites in Turkey. Alevites are not legally recognized in Turkey. If one asks Turkish politicians why there are no houses of worship for Alevites, the answer is, “We are building plenty of mosques. Let them go to mosques.”
Turkey sees its citizens as soldiers in order to spread its ideology. ATIB’s religious imams are employees of the Turkish embassy. Does an ambassador’s assignment include the organization of people’s ideologies? Can we consider (Turkey) a state or an underground organization? These Turkish imams are sent to Europe and are close to the Turkish state. Sermons are routinely sent to Europe by fax or e-mail. What are these imams preaching? “Our Turkish identity must not be lost, and our religious feelings must be deepened.”
And what else??? Perhaps they should also talk about basic human rights, offer young people perspectives for their future, tell them about protecting the environment. Perhaps they should also talk about decent education. I am a teacher. Some of my students attend Islamic education classes in the afternoon. When I look at these children I sometimes get the feeling they have just returned from the jungle! Some of my students say, “Austrians are pagans and godless.” This is not the children speaking; it’s the mentality.
People are held hostage by the Turkish system. It makes them stupid, both in Turkey and abroad.
But Turkey wants to build even more mosques! Here are some statistics:
There are 77,000 mosques in Turkey. 1,200 are in the process of construction. There are 67,000 schools, 1,220 hospitals, one hospital for 60,000 people!
Mosques are constructed in Alevite villages, but no one goes there. But they are being built! There are 15 million people below the poverty line, but mosques are buing built.
There are many other sides to a mosque:
Mosques put social pressure on individuals. If a young girl throws her hijab into the wind, she is called a whore, if not worse. This is the middle ages!
Those who build mosques will never be satisfied, they will always want more. Sometime in the future they will say, “Let’s put up a statue of Atatürk in Brigittenau, and let’s put up a sign on Kahlenberg (which is where the battle of Vienna in 1683 took place) saying “I’m proud to be a Turk”.
The way mosques are organized from and by the Turkish state is a barrier to successful integration and serve as the basis for future social conflicts. People who have no background in democracy cannot adapt to a democracy.
I cannot provide solutions. I can only say one thing: Imams must be trained in Austria according to European values. Mosques must be used as prayer rooms only.
Keep your hands off Austria! It’s the Austrians’ country!”
Very appropriate, and timely update from today's news
If All The above doesn't Alarm You, Then Maybe This will:
Let me say this first, They'll tell you this cleric is radical islam, fundamental islam, political islam, fanatic islam, terrorist islam, hijacking islam, not mainstream islam, you name it islam, ending with the convenient western label stamp "Islamist."
But this cleric didn't invent anything, he quoted muhammad, "Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad," he added.
Besides, he's not the first islamic cleric to declare this.
Leading Sunni Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi and Other Sheikhs Herald the Coming Conquest of Rome
from Memri
Al-Qaradhawi: "Islam will Return to Europe as a Conqueror"
In a fatwa posted on the website www.islamonline.net, in response to a reader's question, Sheikh Al-Qaradhawi wrote of the "signs of the victory of Islam," citing a well-known Hadith: "… The Prophet Muhammad was asked: 'What city will be conquered first, Constantinople or Romiyya?' He answered: 'The city of Hirqil [i.e. the Byzantine emperor Heraclius] will be conquered first' - that is, Constantinople… Romiyya is the city called today 'Rome,' the capital of Italy. The city of Hirqil [that is, Constantinople] was conquered by the young 23-year-old Ottoman Muhammad bin Morad, known in history as Muhammad the Conqueror, in 1453. The other city, Romiyya, remains, and we hope and believe [that it too will be conquered]."
In Islamic doctrine, when all muslim clerics agree on the same interpretation of a saying from muhammad, this is called "Ulama (doctors of the law) consensus," and it have the force of a legal edict to be acted upon by every muslim in the world, especially those who are in the countries to be conquered, and by every means.
And whatever muhammad said is islam, and mainstream islam, period.
So who's the idiot that still wants to debate with "Islam or islamist?"
Cleric Predicts 'Rome Will Be Conquered by Islam'
Monday, April 14, 2008 from FoxNews
A sermon last Friday by a prominent Muslim cleric and Hamas member of the Palestinian parliament openly declared that "the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital," would soon be conquered by Islam.
The fiery sermon, delivered by Yunis al-Astal and aired on Hamas' Al-Aqsa TV, predicted that Rome would become "an advanced post for the Islamic conquests, which will spread though Europe in its entirety, and then will turn to the two Americas, even Eastern Europe."
"Allah has chosen you for Himself and for His religion," al-Astal preached, "so that you will serve as the engine pulling this nation to the phase of succession, security and consolidation of power, and even to conquests through da'wa and military conquests of the capitals of the entire world.
"Very soon, Allah willing, Rome will be conquered, just like Constantinople was, as was prophesized by our prophet Muhammad," he added.
Al-Astal last June preached how it was the duty of Palestinian women to martyr themselves by becoming homicide bombers.
"The most exalted form of jihad is fighting for the sake of Allah, which means sacrificing one's soul by fighting the enemies head-on, even if it leads to martyrdom," he said in a June 23, 2007 interview.
"When jihad becomes an individual duty, it applies to women too, because women do not differ from men when it comes to individual duties," he said, calling Jews "the brothers of apes and pigs" who should "taste the bitterness of death."
Friday's rant repeated that theme: "Today, Rome is the capital of the Catholics, or the Crusader capital, which has declared its hostility to Islam, and has planted the brothers of apes and pigs in Palestine in order to prevent the reawakening of Islam.
"I believe that our children, or our grandchildren, will inherit our jihad and our sacrifices, and, Allah willing, the commanders of the conquest will come from among them.
"Today, we instill these good tidings in their souls – and by means of the mosques and the Koran books, and the history of our Prophets, his companions, and the great leaders, we prepare them for the mission of saving humanity from the hellfire at whose brink they stand."
Again, compare what this cleric is saying to what I posted above and what I wrote about the mosque-building strategy in the West, here.
The symbolism of the conquest of Rome for muslims is meant to be the eradication of Christianity, the whole western and eastern Christian world, and by extension, what the Christian world support, Israel.
So much for the interfaith "dialogue," muslims are calling for, and their chewing gum of "we respect all religions," that many Christian and Jewish religious organizations are, not only, fooled by it, but going out of their way in helping the enemy, to the detriment of their own people.
I'm calling for Christians and Jews, to keep away from any church or synagoge, run by dhimmi priests or Rabbis shaking the hands of our enemies that are full of Christians and Jewish blood, they're part of the catastrophe. All Middle-Eastern Christian countries were lost, and the majority of their populations forced to convert, be killed, or enslaved due to the complacency and dhimmititude of their Christian religious authorities. Muslims understand and respect one thing and nothing else but, power. Weakness will only lead to the inevitable bloodiest clash.
As Ronald Reagan said it wisely, "We prevented many wars due to our superior power."
If you think for a second, that this is the talk of a lunatic muslim cleric, then, forgive me to say this, you're the lunatic, because he's not talking about something that will happen. He's talking from first hand feedback on how muslims are building up their "posts" (Hamas is a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood who have cells, and the largest network of islamic organizations in every western country, CAIR is one of their flagship), according to his words, "Their advanced post (mosques) for the Islamic conquests, through da'wa and military," in every western country. That's what mosques has served for, since the time of muhammad.
Furthermore, da'wa in the islamic doctrine takes it's meaning from koran 9:29, which gives you three choices, convert, or pay the jeziah and be humiliated, or be killed.
Last but not least. This Cleric is not expressing his wishful thinking, every muslim on the face of this earth, including "moderate contributing to the passive da'wa-jihad with money," know this by heart, and lives with the dream of being the master of your own country, take all what you have as booty, including your women.
This is
I explained all this in: Muslim want it the way mohammad got it.
Hamas MP And Cleric Yunis Al-Astal In A Friday Sermon
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The United States government has granted official American Corporation status to a psychotic religion that officially approves of a Bible that clearly and strongly advocates the cold-blooded murders of totally innocent people! This is nothing else but the United States giving clear official approval to MURDER INC. Never,in the history of civilization, has a country granted official approval, and the power that goes along with that, to an organization that publicly and officially sanctions out and out cold blooded murder of totally innocent people - but, sadly, you and everyone else are way to frightened to say this clear truth publicly - and, no wonder we are! Who wants to see your families heads being slowly sawed off?
Rome will fall, soon. Oil money bribes are worming in deep towards the heart of Rome even as we speak. Soon, a giantic Mosque will tower above the Vaticum, and all the brown-shirt types will embrace the Religion of getting even time one hundred thousand, and they it will be all over - who would have thouht that ben Laden was really stronger and smarter than all those western leaders? He seemed like such a savage!
Assalamau Laikum Folks,
It would be silly of me not to acknowledge your anxieties, phobias and general worries.
Some of you peoples have (growing) problems adjusting to muslims...some of you don't like our brillo beards...but remember this is no different to your (British) victorian ancestors.
I must admit that superism does not sit comfortably with me....but Allah Paak has chosen a favourate....why for example he created Kaffur who would defy his will is a subject for considerable debate and confusion.
Perhaps there always needs to be a black and white or a good and a bad, a life and death and muslim and kaffur..believer and non-believer....who can know the will of Almighty Allah SWT.
But the question now becomes why the struggle. Does it really matter if there are mosques in Eurabia? once there ...they will remain...that's never going to change.
The Haphia is a mosque...and that will never change...that's reality!!!
Just like there is a Europe today, soon there will be a Eurabia...and after that it will never change....it cannot as this is Allah Paak's will....can you not see this light?
With such powerful weapons in this day and age ...world peace is really important...many nations will have nucleur weapons in the next couple of decades....and this is really scary.
Islam is the only entity that can cement world peace....this together with the creation of sharia lite...a milder form of sharia for Eurabia.
I don't really see what the problem is here....just recite the shahada....it's just a few words....isn't it worth it for world peace.....millions will...so you may as well.
Indeed it is hoped that someday Islamic saints maybe buried in adjoining buildings to these vast structures and I was hoping that one day you too would have been proud to see the colurful Assura (et al)ceremonies in your local towns....but that may be some way away...still as long as you follow due process ...all should smooth itself out.
Alarm clocks will be a thing of the past...5am is morning...
Naseem - I ask you the same question time and time again, yet you never even slightly answer me. So, I assume that you would rather not because you approve of holy murders that are sanctioned by the Koran and related holy literature. Yours is a dream of all totalitarians - if you want peace, real peace, make all people into one person. All must be one! Individual freedom must be destroyed, and all of society must march lock-step in order to save the world from WW three. Only the Communists were not strong enough to do it - they could not accomplish their 1984 [by George Orwell]. You, Naseem, countenance cold-blooded murder (you have to - it is in your book, take a look!) and your writings make it clear that you want to take our freedom away from us - We understand that: Islam doesn't really believe in free will {even though they say they do} so, what are you Muslims giving up by becoming a slave to Allah starting a 5 am every morning with your head on the ground and your rear in the air to prove once again that you are a Slave of the Koran? You have no use for freedom other than to use the wealth that Free People tend to produce. Here, read once again the question you must forever pretend was never asked and never existed - the question that no intelligent Muslims dares to thing about.
"The United States government has granted official American Corporation status to a psychotic religion that officially approves of a Bible that clearly and strongly advocates the cold-blooded murders of totally innocent people! This is nothing else but the United States giving clear official approval to MURDER INC. Never,in the history of civilization, has a country granted official approval, and the power that goes along with that, to an organization that publicly and officially sanctions out and out cold blooded murder of totally innocent people - but, sadly, you and everyone else are way to frightened to say this clear truth publicly - and, no wonder we are! Who wants to see your families heads being slowly sawed off? [you too Naseem, do not want to see that, do you? therefore you are too living with a knife pointed at your heart of hearts].
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
What's all this cold bloodied murder that you keep moaning about?
Do you not think that the Amerike and the british administrations have the necessary experts to decide on that?
They are continually supporting immigration policy to allow yet more muslims to come & do the work that the lazy kaffur do not want to do.
....they know that a few foot spas at the airports is a small price to pay their hard work.
Sorry, Hal, but I don't see it, I am a peaceful muslima, spreading peace through dawa. I have never asked for, done or condoned anybody's murder...and all the muslims that I know simply go about their daily lives scraping a living for their family....most likely just like you...I think you have us confused with somebody else.
Naseem ! Good heaven! Do you really want me to post all those clear quotes from the Mighty Koran that call for the murder of totally innocent people? You Naseem, are very cognizant of what the Koran says and where it says it - I know that, and so do all the readers of our posts. But, you, in harmony with your book, the Mighty Koran, are lying to all of us - and it is a useless and stupid lie! You will not get away with it just because you are the favorite daughter of the god of lying and the murdering of innocents. You are lying Naseem, and, further, it is very clear to us that you are completely aware of it. But we Christians concider such as a very serious evil thing - not good for anybody, but worse for you Naseem, a harbinger of very bad luck. When it falls of you, ask forgiveness from the real God and the consequences of you horrible behavior will go away. We wish what is best for you Naseem, good luck.
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:4)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or to have their hands and feet chopped off on opposite sides, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
But, here is what our host, Ibn, has to say about the Koran famous love of cold-blooded murder that even sweet lies cannot cover: "It is clear quite clear that under Islamic Law an apostate must be put to death. There is no dispute on this ruling among classical Muslim or modern scholars, and we shall return to the textual evidence for it. Some modern scholars have argued that in the Koran the apostate is threatened with punishment only in the next world, as for example at XVI.106, “Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief –save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.” Similarly in III.90-91, “Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief, their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray. Lo! those who disbelieve, and die in disbelief, the (whole) earth full of gold would not be accepted from such an one if it were offered as a ransom (for his soul).Theirs will be a painful doom and they will have no helpers.”
However, Sura II.217 is interpreted by no less an authority than al-Shafi’i(died 820 C.E.), the founder of one of the four orthodox schools of law of Sunni Islam to mean that the death penalty should be prescribed for apostates. Sura II.217 reads: “… But whoever of you recants and dies an unbeliever , his works shall come to nothing in this world and the next, and they are the companions of the fire for ever.” Al-Thalabi and al -Khazan concur. Al-Razi in his commentary on II:217 says the apostate should be killed.
Similarly, IV. 89: “They would have you disbelieve as they themselves have disbelieved, so that you may be all like alike. Do not befriend them until they have fled their homes for the cause of God. If they desert you seize them and put them to death wherever you find them. Look for neither friends nor helpers among them…” Baydawi (died c. 1315-16), in his celebrated commentary on the Koran, interprets this passage to mean: “Whosover turns back from his belief ( irtada ), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him altogether. Do not accept intercession in his regard”. Ibn Kathir in his commentary on this passage quoting Al Suddi (died 745) says that since the unbelievers had manifested their unbelief they should be killed.
Abul Ala Mawdudi [1903-1979], the founder of the Jamat-i Islami, is perhaps the most influential Muslim thinker of the 20th century, being responsible for the Islamic resurgence in modern times. He called for a return to the Koran and a purified sunna as a way to revive and revitalise Islam. In his book on apostasy in Islam, Mawdudi argued that even the Koran prescribes the death penalty for all apostates. He points to sura IX for evidence:
“But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief Lo! they have no binding oaths in order that they may desist.”(IX: 11,12)
Hadith
Here we find many traditions demanding the death penalty for apostasy. According to Ibn Abbas the Prophet said, “Kill him who changes his religion,” or “behead him.” The only argument was as to the nature of the death penalty. Bukhari recounts this gruesome tradition:
“Narrated Anas:Some people from the tribe of Ukl came to the Prophet and embraced Islam .The climate of Medina did not suit them, so the Prophet ordered them to go to the (herd of milch ) camels of charity to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine).They did so, and after they had recovered from their ailment they turned renegades (reverted from Islam, irtada ) and killed the shepherd of the camels and took the camels away. The Prophet sent (some people) in their pursuit and so they were caught and brought, and the Prophet ordered that their hands and legs should be cut off and that their eyes should be branded with heated pieces of iron , and that their cut hands and legs should not be cauterised, till they die.”
Abu Dawud has collected the following saying of the Prophet:
“ ‘Ikrimah said: Ali burned some people who retreated from Islam. When Ibn Abbas was informed of it he said, ‘If it had been I, I would not have them burned, for the apostle of Allah said: ‘Do not inflict Allah’s punishment on anyone.’ But would have killed them on account of the statement of the Apostle of Allah, ‘Kill those who change their religion.’ ”
In other words, kill the apostates (with the sword) but certainly not by burning them, that is Allah’s way of punishing transgressors in the next world. According to a tradition of Aisha’s, apostates are to be slain, crucified or banished.
Should the apostate be given a chance to repent? Traditions differ enormously. In one tradition, Muadh Jabal refused to sit down until an apostate brought before him had been killed “in accordance with the decision of God and of His Apostle.”
Under Muslim law, the male apostate must be put to death, as long as he is an adult, and in full possession of his faculties. If a pubescent boy apostatises, he is imprisoned until he comes of age, when if he persists in rejecting Islam he must be put to death. Drunkards and the mentally disturbed are not held responsible for their apostasy. If a person has acted under compulsion he is not considered an apostate, his wife is not divorced and his lands are not forfeited. According to Hanafis and Shia, a woman is imprisoned until she repents and adopts Islam once more, but according to the influential Ibn Hanbal, and the Malikis and Shafiites , she is also put to death. In general, execution must be by the sword, though there are examples of apostates tortured to death, or strangled, burnt, drowned, impaled or flayed. The caliph Umar used to tie them to a post and had lances thrust into their hearts, and the Sultan Baybars II (1308-09) made torture legal.
Should attempts be made at conversion? Some jurists accept the distinction between Murtadd fitri and Murtadd milli, and argue that the former be put to death immediately. Others, leaning on sura IV.137,“Lo! those who believe, then disbelieve and then (again) believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never pardon them, nor will he guide them unto a way,” insist on three attempts at conversion, or have the apostate imprisoned for three days to begin with. Others argue that one should wait for the cycle of the five times of prayer and ask the apostate to perform the prayers at each. Only if he refuses at each prayer time is the death penalty to be applied. If he repents and embraces Islam once more, he is released.
The murtadd of course would be denied a Muslim burial, but he suffers other civil disabilities as well. His property is taken over by the believers, if he returns penitent he is given back what remains. Others argue that the apostate’s rights of ownership are merely suspended, only if he dies outside the territory under Islam does he forfeit his property to the Muslim community. If either the husband or wife apostasizes, a divorce takes place ipso facto; the wife is entitled to her whole dower but no pronouncement of divorce is necessary. According to some jurists, if husband and wife apostasize together their marriage is still valid. However if either the wife or husband were singly to return to Islam then their marriage would be dissolved. According to Abu Hanifa, legal activities such as manumission, endowment, testament and sale are suspended. But not all jurists agree. Some Shi’i jurists would ask the Islamic Law towards apostates to be applied even outside the Dar al -Islam, in non-Muslim countries.
Finally, according to the Shafites it is not only apostasy from Islam that is to be punished with death, but also apostasy from other religions when this is not accompanied by conversion to Islam. For example, a Jew who becomes a Christian will thus have to be put to death since the Prophet has ordered in general that everyone “who adopts any other religion” shall be put to death.
Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights [UDHR,1948] states: “Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance”.
The clause guaranteeing the freedom to change one’s religion was added at the request of the delegate from Lebanon, Charles Malik, who was a Christian. Lebanon had accepted many people fleeing persecution for their beliefs, in particular for having changed their religion. Lebanon especially objected to the Islamic law concerning apostasy. Many Muslim countries, however, objected strongly to the clause regarding the right to change one’s religion. The delegate from Egypt, for instance, said that “very often a man changes religion or his convictions under external influences with goals which are not recommendable such as divorce.” He added that he feared in proclaiming the liberty to change one’s religion or convictions the Universal Declaration would encourage without wishing it “the machinations of certain missions well- known in the East, which relentlessly pursue their efforts with a view to converting to their faith the populations of the East”. Significantly, Lebanon was supported by a delegate from Pakistan who belonged to the Ahmadi community which, ironically, was to be thrown out of the Islamic community in the 1970s for being non-Muslim. In the end all Muslim countries except Saudi Arabia adhered to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
During discussions of Article 18 in 1966, Saudi Arabia and Egypt wanted to suppress the clause guaranteeing the freedom to change one’s religion. Finally a compromise amendment proposed by Brazil and the Philippines was adopted to placate the Islamic countries. Thus, “the freedom to change his religion or belief” was replaced by “the freedom to have or adopt a religion or belief of his choice.” Similarly in 1981, during discussions on the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief, Iran, under the new regime reminded everyone that Islam punished apostasy by death. The delegate from Iraq, backed up by Syria, speaking on behalf of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference expressed his reserve for any clauses or terms that would contradict the Islamic Sharia, while the delegate from Egypt felt that they had to guard against such a clause being exploited for political ends to interfere in the internal affairs of states.
The various Islamic human rights schemes or declarations - such as the Universal Islamic Declaration of Human Rights (1981) are understandably vague or evasive on the issue of the freedom to change one’s religion, since Islam itself clearly forbids apostasy and punishes it with death. As Elisabeth Mayer says, “The lack of support for the principle of freedom of religion in the Islamic human rights schemes is one of the factors that most sharply distinguishes them from the International Bill of Human Rights, which treats freedom of religion as an unqualified right. The [Muslim] authors’ unwillingness to repudiate the rule that a person should be executed over a question of religious belief reveals the enormous gap that exists between their mentalities and the modern philosophy of human rights.” Islamic Human Rights Schemes are clearly not universal since they introduce a specifically Islamic religious criterion into the political sphere, whereas the UDHR of 1948 places human rights in an entirely secular and universalist framework. The Islamic human rights schemes severely restrict and qualify the rights of individuals, particularly women, non-Muslims and those, such as apostates, who do not accept Islamic religious orthodoxy."
What we must fight against in Islam, is what has been called Principalities and Powers. We are facing Demonic forces from a different octave, which has infiltrated humanity.
Islam, Nazism, Communism are all movements from the same source.
To conquer this type of activity and forces we must reach for assistance in higher octaves of creation.
Lower entity control comes through invasion of the lower chakra in humans. For higher octave assistance there is a law of octaves that demands that we "REQUEST" it.
We need to unite with the Warrior ArchAngel Michael, who declared War against Luciferian forces in the heavens.
As stated, Woe to mankind for these forces have come to Earth. We were born to counteract this present activity with a continuing War here on Earth.
Dare to be counted.
inalilaah wa inaa ileyhi raajicun.
la ilaha ilalaah muhamudu rasuululaaah.
you are worst poeple in the worl. how could u say SONS OF APES AND PIGS
That's what Muhammad the self proclaimed prophet of Islam called Jews and Christians in his Koran. We start by asking this question: Do you consider mohammad saying this to be a prophet or a Thug? And how would you judge the Muslims aggreeing with him, calling him "The most honorable of all prophets, the sublime of all creations, the one that came to fulfill the best of deeds, sent to be Mercy for the Worlds. Koran 21:107 " We will lay open the shame of Islam that is not taught in the Islamic studies of the best Universities, and leave the verdict to the jury. This is the start, and the best is yet to come. Our aim is an open public debate on the Koran, to ban it for the evil it spreads.
you kufars but if u convert to islam its ok. alaah will forgive u if u conver to islam.