Answering Nassem, “a muslima to boot,” and exposing the perjury of Muhammad and his accomplice, Allah
This was a comment by Nasseem, a muslima to boot, as she describes herself, on one of our postings that I figured to answer it on the front page for the benefit of all muslims, and our readers.
As we always say, no one exposes islam, better than muslims, and islam itself, of course.
Nasseem said (unedited): "Assalamau Laikum Hal, I am no christian....only a good human being and muslima to boot and there's lot of good muslims in this world...but you peoples will never allow us to have this. For me christianity is childish. Throughout history who ever gets slapped on the cheek makes the instigator pay...one way or another...they don't turn the other cheek....this is against human nature. Stay your hand if you want to...but then don't worry or complain about repeatedly being slapped on both sides....if that's your fate...and of course others love you for it....hey that's your outlook, but it's not going to be mine. Also I think it's a hard enough concept to pray to a god....and christianity wants you to pray to a ghost as well...I mean how wierd is the concept of trinity. Thirdly...christianity is male domianted...there's a male god who has a male son (only)...where's the daughter(s) in this story? There's virtually no femaninty in christianity...where as in Islam womens are given pride of place and proper respect. So...I simply could not be or convert to christianity...I cannot belong because of the lack of respect for us womens."
Dear Nassem, I would like to thank you for your contribution with your comments, and also invite all muslims to our open forum, and un-moderated comments section to express freely their opinions. We are here to learn, and reach for the truth about islam. No one is better placed than muslims to teach us and answer our questions. Even when muslims don't answer our questions, it proves to be the best answer that confirms the facts we expose..
As for stating that you're not a Christian, you don't need to say it. Your language and your state of mind exposes you. I mean your Islamic mind, which is apart from the normal human mind. It’s not me saying this, but your “most honorable” prophet, stating that muslim women are “deficient in religion and brain,” and the Koran puts your value at half a man. And I take it for granted that you agree. Otherwise you won’t be a “muslima to boot.”
Actually, your prophet also compared you with dogs and donkeys, and allowed your husband to beat you, So definitely, with all these attributes, you can’t fool anyone and pass for a Christian.
Christianity elevates every person, men and women. The God of the Bible said, "He created man on His own image, and created Eve to be “A helper comparable to him. Genesis 1:18.”
You see, God said “Comparable,” not half, but comparable to the man, not to dogs and donkeys that should be beaten. And how would you qualify this saying of your prophet, " The woman advances and retires in the shape of a devil. From Sahih Muslim, the book of Nikah (intercourse), book 8 #3240,” in the pride of place, or proper respect section?
That should answer your “Christianity is male dominated.”
Do you know that your allah forgot completely to mention Hawa (Eve), that's not very considerate for the muslim women, don't you agree? Can you imagine yourself not knowing who your mother is, or what's her name? Some people use a very bad word for that. And Can you tell us how you came up with the name of Hawa (Eve), since there is no trace for it in the koran?
And do you think it's nice from your prophet to say that, “the majority of people in hell, are women.” Do you agree with him? And how would you know if you're in the minority? You don't even speak arabic, the language of Jannah (islamic papradise) to start with, that's already a minus. Why allah would choose you and have a communication problem? Isn't it odd that allah made arabic the official language for a religion he wanted it to be international, to end up in a Jannah of sex and booze, where no one will have time for talk ... heheheheee .. Funny allah.
And who you gone talk to, do you think your father, your husband, or any men in your family that wakes up at 4 A.M. to go to the mosque, struggle every day with the five prayers, fast ramadan, and spend their life saving to go to the Hajj, are doing all this to leave 72 virgins and talk or care about you in jannah? Your complaining about the place of femininity in Christianity, when islam gave you a 1/4 man on Earth, not counting the unlimited right hand possessions your husband is allowed to have, and 1/73 up there, that's if you make it and sneak in with the minority. If that's what you call pride, then you know something that we don't know, and we respect your freedom of expression.
But to be a Christian, you'll need a deep brain clean up first, starting by throwing the book that treats you like an animal to be beaten, your Koran, where it belongs, in the garbage, and be completely cured. There are better books now to teach animals how to behave without beatings, that will make many muslim women dream of a better life. You can verify that at animals clinic sites, or convert to Brigitte Bardot's (Peace be upon her) animals society.
Besides, who asked you here to be a Christian? We’re here to talk about the religion of truth. However, you, same as every muslim, do all you can to stir away the conversation from islam for reasons we perfectly understand. After all, who would want to talk about a plague, and what can they say? Unless for once you prove me wrong and enlighten us with the goodies that we might have missed, or we didn’t grasp. You also have the opportunity here to correct our misunderstanding if we said something wrong, or “out of context,” and guide us to, “The right path.”
But you never amazed us by refuting anything we posted here; you only used what became the trademark of every muslim, the weapon of mass distraction, Christianity. Not realizing that by doing this, you betray yourself by believing in something that you can’t defend, and unintentionally, confirm that there is nothing to refute in everything we posted.
So I’ll tell you what I tell every muslim, if Christianity is wrong, why waste your time talking about it, instead of guiding people to the religion of truth? And talking about corrupted religions won't make islam right and clean by default, and won’t change the fact that your “most honorable” prophet is a pedophile, a caravan robber, a rapist, a killer, and a gangster making his bread and butter with his sword. All that by his own admission, and from your books.
But your books don’t only serve as references, unfortunately. They also serve to spread muhammad's legacy. That’s why the statistic records from ALL Western jails, show that muslim guests are by far the most represented group, between rapists, thieves, killers, terrorists, pedophiles and best of all a good assortment of very devout sheiks and imams.
What better reference would anyone ask for, when 3% of a total muslim population, on average per Western country, produces 40% of criminals. And that’s by being politically, and stupidly correct. Can you imagine what the percentage would’ve been if Western governments were instead, legally correct?
The other reason we don’t discuss Christianity, or any religion, is simply because we're not in the comparative religions business. If you want religion, go to religious sites, same as when you want to learn French, you don’t go to a plumbing site, and here we deal with plumbing in the sewers of islam, don't you feel the smell?
Besides, it would be very unfair to debate islam and mohammad from a Christian perspective, How could we judge Muhammad, a pedophile that brought doom, destruction, and shed the blood of other people, by the standard of Jesus, a sinless (that's from your koran), The Prince of peace that brought the good news, and shed His own blood for other people. One was a butcher; the other was called The Healer and raised the dead. You see my point, it would be like putting the rope around muhammad’s neck from the start, and condemning him without the need of any further evidence.
I can resume it in one sentence: Jesus divided history while muhammad divided the world (house of muslims, and the others to be killed, robbed, raped, cursed, destroyed, and enslaved).
And while we're at it, why your koran testified that Issa Al Massih (Jesus) is sinless? No one is sinless but God. That makes Issa equal to God, and put you in very deep trouble, with one of three choices. Either Issa is God, or you're associating someone else with God, and that makes you Mushrekoon (polytheists), or allah made a mistake by making Issa his equal. I advise you to run to the closest mosque, and ask the most learned imam, and come back to us with the answer, that's if he doesn't make you recite, koran 5:101, which boils down to, don't ask, don't think, and stay dumb.
For your statement, “there’s lot of good muslims in the world," I applaud your choice of “good” muslims, and not “true” muslims. But have you any idea what's costing the Western tax payers, to finance round the clock the monitoring of mosques, and Islamic communities by all their law enforcement agencies just to keep those “good” muslims from becoming “true” muslims, emulating your role model muhammaf?
And how many “good” muslims will be left if your Islamic authorities abrogate the apostasy law and differentiate islam from the Mafia? In my opinion, the Islamic authorities should seek inter-faith dialogue with the Mafia; they too apply the apostasy law and share many common values with islam.
As for “the teaching of turning the other cheek,” Imagine if the Bible had something like this, "Kill all who do not believe in Moses and Jesus," do you think any muslim would've been left on the face of the Earth by now? Let me put it to you in a different way. If a dog bite you, and you bite him back, if a thug slap you and you slap him back, if a robber rob your house and you go to rob his house, etc, etc. Where would it end? And where is the superior teaching in this, and what new teaching mohammad came up with? That's the law of jungle, and animals didn’t need a prophet to teach them that.
You said, "It's against human nature, to turn the other cheek." And you were perfectly right on the money, but I know you didn't realize the meaning of what you said. By saying this, you, from your own mouth, condemned mohammad and your koran, and expressed in the most explicit way, what we always say, that mohammad's teaching and your koran have nothing superior to any base human teaching, or gang teaching.
As the French say, "The most beautiful woman can't give more than what she has." So what teaching can you expect from a gangster, not only, making his bread and butter by robbing innocent people with his sword, but making a religion out of it, that you call it great, praise him every time you mention his infamous name, and strive to emulate him to finish the job. Which is to continue robbing and extorting the world, and that's what your koran is all about, to compensate for your own self inflicted misery and destitution.
No muslim country can advance, motivate people to work and make them focus to produce, if they blast them five times a day, starting at four in the morning with sounds from thousands of loudspeakers, piercing their brains with a deafening and interminable "Allah Akbar (allah the greatest), Hayo Ala'l Jiahd (Get ready and let's go for the jihad). Add to this their supplications, which they call prayers, seventeen times a day, to curse and damn the unclean kafers Christians and Jews, combined with their imams vociferations to "make their children orphelins, make their property and their women booty for the muslims (since allah is the same God of the Bible, so they say, that's why raping Jewish and Christian women is halal) ...," and you can imagine what is left, not only in their brains, but their whole beings, after these promises of robbed riches and dreams of rape orgies, to think about any work or the need to produce anything at all.
By the same token, you proved, again unintentionally of course, that the Bible teaching is not only superior to human morality which confirms its divine nature, but aims to elevates the person above his base instincts, to perfection. While islam makes muslims act no different than, animal rage boys.
That's why; the Western world, regulated by laws inspired from that teaching, created the most advanced civilization in the world, "The Judeo-Christian Civilization," that is superior, productive, guaranteeing civil order, and without it, you muslims would’ve been exterminated by hunger and disease in a matter of few years. Just imagine Nasseem, if the Western world treated you eye for an eye according to your standard, and your islamic Ummah don’t get, as charitable donations, all the medicines, just to name one item, discovered by those Jews and Christians. Could you survive on camel's urine and fly wings, as mohammad advised you? I won't ask you to answer that, I know it would be mission impossible. It's just meant to be food for thoughts, if you ever have the luxury of any thoughts to feed, and meditate on.
You also exposed, without realizing, the lies of your Koran, which stated that mohammad came, “To Perfect the morality of people.” To perfect, means to complete shortcomings, to accomplish something that was not finished, and bring it to complete perfection.
From the evidence we have, we can attest that the only thing mohammad perfected, is making perfect fools of all the people that are still being fooled by him, and I credit him for that perfect accomplishment. Let’s compare what existed before Muhammad.
Jesus said “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect? Matthew 5:44, 46, 48.”
Now, can you tell us what Muhammad added, and perfected above this level, or what there is to perfect beyond that?
I will help you and answer this question, from muhammad’s blueprint:
Koran 16:126, “If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted.”
It is obvious, as you stated, that Muhammad and allah didn’t come up with anything new, other than what has been practiced throughout history but not anymore by the civilized world. You should be proud that Muhammad and allah’s morality reached your level.
In other words, mohammad took you backward, and you don’t need him for this, just watch jungle movies or rage boy, and go by your instinct, and you’ll be a model muslima.
But here is a hard question for you that, again, I doubt you can answer, for it will simply destroy Muhammad and his koran’s teaching by your own verdict:
Let's say your brother raped a girl, do you agree that the raped girl’s brother should apply “punish them as they did to you,” and rape you?
As you know, this happened in Pakistan, your own country, and you surely saw the local and international outrage it caused, and the Office of the Public Prosecutor instituted criminal proceedings against the executors of this vendetta. The international outrage is understandable, but why in Pakistan they condemned what they called, "tribal code of honor, which includes the notion of vendetta and tit for tat punishment?" What is koran 16:126 is, if not "tit for tat punishment?"
This is the ultimate irony, muhammad's koran is condemned by none other, than your own courts and people for the trash it is. You see Nasseem, that I wasn't lying when i said it's not me saying it's garbage? I'm just the messenger.
I meant to make this rape question personal to you instead of making it generic, to have your truthful answer when you fall under allah's law. Of course, you have the options to call an imam, ask your islamic audience, or use verse 3:28 from the "very" holy koran, that tells you to fool these idiots, "childish," kafers.
The knock out
The prophet that you (muslims) say, “came to perfect the morality of people," didn’t even reach the standard of your own morality, or even respect what he himself said, “punish them as they did to you,” but went well below that, and didn’t have neither moral, nor standard.
There is numerous quotations from the sayings of muhamad and his Koran to prove it, but I’ll mention just one for now, not to give you an indigestion. In islamic countries they make you read your islamic texts and recite them, but never ask you to understand them.
Let's get back to Koran 16:126, “punish them same as they did to you.” It implies that no punishment is due to someone that didn’t attack you, and you shouldn't punish someone for the actions of someone else, you agree? I guess you do, if not let me know. But you'll have to agree, because I took this answer from your own Koran 6:164:
“Every soul draws the meed (wage) of its acts on none but itself: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another.”
In tafsir (interpretation) El Tabari, it explains practically the same think, that allah will judge everyone according to
his own acts and deeds, and won’t put on him, or hold him accountable for the sins of others. Sounds fair to
me, which is the basis of all civilized laws, and even ordinary human wisdom with a sense of justice. Anyone
disagree on that? Just a side note for all muslims, in case you don’t know, muhammad plagiarized this from
Moses law (The Torah), so he didn’t invent the wheel to get it right.
The incriminating evidence
Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668:
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (May peace be upon him) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians.
This is what we call, parading muhammad the thug, and the allah he made on his own image, nude, topless and bottomless, out in the cold. Actually, we're not the ones doing it, we just put the islamic texts under the microscope, and let them do the job.
This hadith is simply stating that your allah will open his den, and gather to him all muslim criminals, "with sins heavy as mountains,” not to judge them for their sins, but to cheat justice, and put their sins and deeds on Jews and Christians.
Isn’t this the unequivocal proof that your allah is the lowest and most vile corrupt judge?
First your allah perjured himself according to his own Koran 6:164, and 16:24, ” no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another,” and he swore in different quotations that the Koran is the book of truth, that he himself guarded from corruption.
The definition of perjury:
-The act or crime of knowingly making a false statement while under oath or bound by an affirmation or other officially prescribed declaration that what one says, writes, or claims is true.
-Deliberately giving false testimony
-Criminal offense of making false statements under oath
-The willful giving of false testimony under oath or affirmation.
Under the penal code of any civil law, muhammad and his accomplice, allah, would be convicted with several crimes: acquitting criminals, and putting their crimes on other people. This is a very serious case of perjury, incriminating innocent people, falsification of evidence, false accusations, and misleading justice. It's the biggest masquerade of justice.
allah "the best of deceivers."
Is this is your god, that you call, “the most merciful," or a scumbag filthy deceiver? But again, he wasn’t lying when he admitted in the koran that he was, “the best of deceivers." It is also one of the beautiful 99 names of your allah. Give him credit for being honest about being a deceiver.
Imagine any legal system, even in the banana countries, having a judge like this? He would’ve been buried under an anonymous banana tree by now. Too bad they don't have banana trees in Arabia.
I guess Nasseem and all muslims should praise allah and mohammad, for sparing them the shame of having the godfathers of their cult behind bars for all these crimes, had they’ve been alive. Besides, we would’ve been accused of being islamophobic.
I hope Nassim that now you’re convinced that what you call, your “very” holy book, have nothing holy. Again, It’s not me saying this; it’s your allah’s own admission in Koran 4:82:
“Do they not consider the Qur-an. Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy."
If this is not a monumental, not only discrepancy, but criminality, then what is it? This is another confirmation, from your allah himself that it's garbage.
If the Michelin Guide Company rates garbage, they wouldn't have enough stars for the koran.
And this is just the tip of the iceberg, Stay tuned.
For comparison sake, I offer this to you, and all muslims, from the Bible. See the difference and you be the judge, which is the authentic book:
Proverbs 17: 15:
“Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent— the LORD detests them both.”
This is a clear condemnation of allah, for being detested by the true God. In other words, evil. Would anyone dare, in light of this, to say that Allah is the same God of the Bible?
Jeremiah 17:10:
"I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve."
This is for all muslims to watch out, don’t be deceived by what Muhammad tells you, no Jew or Christian will take your place, you snooze, you loose.
Jeremiah 32:19 (Whole Chapter)
“great are your purposes and mighty are your deeds. Your eyes are open to all the ways of men; you reward everyone according to his conduct and as his deeds deserve.”
Now you know what the real deal is. I won’t tell you don’t come back crying if you go for the scam, there is no coming back, but at least for compensation, you’ll be in the company of Momo and all the criminals of the Ummah, to make you feel at home.
As for us, we prefer hell if your allah’s Jannah (Islamic papradise) will gather the killers, the suicide bombers, the beheaders, the thieves, the rapists, and all the filth and scumbags of the Earth in his Islamic brothel. No hell would compare with the hell of being with that gathering. Besides, who would trust being in a place where all you muslims are gathered together, in a brothel with free booze, and brain deficient women on top of that? It’s déjà vue. No thank you, I’ll pass.
As they say, a picture is worth a thousand word, and this one definitely proves it.
Should we call it, "Pride and Ecstasy or Agony and Ecstasy?" You be the judge.
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Naseem! You have said that Muslims should not have to work because they keep the world in existence by your five times a day praying - as you say, the Koran tells you that the non-Muslims are to labor and build cities that are slated by Allah to fall into Muslim hands. Also you say that as the Zebra (by its death and fear) teachs the Lyon how to hunt and live well while it gets lots of sleep and rest - let the Zebra worry and fret (and work) - it only exists for the lyon to learn how to be a good and efficient killer (to save his energy to pray to the Lyon God Allah in order to keep the jungle in existence). This is a good solid argument against us - very logical - we need to hear more of this Muslim survival of fittest Muslim scientific theology. Please Post More Naseem - we need you in the worst way! I love your clear writing and stark uncompromissing thinking - wish more of us thought more like you Naseem, All my love, Hal. Help me show them how soft and silly they have become - please!
You rock. Such a terrific and scathing reply. Wonderful, just wonderful
Dear Ibn - Poor MS Nasseem. I hope she brings your words to her Imam for interpertation. Alas, the blindness of these sad people will likely render your kind words useless to them. Thank You, David Paddock
Christianity is male dominated? LOL. Then I guess us poor oppressed Christian women who are allowed to work in Churches as secretaries, treasurers, elders, lectors,teachers,deaconesses, ministers, and in the Episcopalian Church Priests, and Bishops, must leave Christianity and convert to Islam, in order to be liberated from our oppression. Also I myself am going for my bachelor's in psychology in order to fulfill my vocational requirement to become a Church Deaconess. I must also get my master's in Deaconess Studies. So I guess this means I need to be liberated from Christianity. Also according to your statements the suffragettes who were Christian women need to be liberated from Christianity.
If Islam gives women their proper respect, then does it say in Sura 4:1 Humans created from a single man, when in reality we are created from both a man's sperm and a woman's egg?
Naseem! You have said that Muslims should not have to work because they keep the world in existence by your five times a day praying - as you say, the Koran tells you that the non-Muslims are to labor and build cities that are slated by Allah to fall into Muslim hands. Also you say that as the Zebra (by its death and fear) teachs the Lyon how to hunt and live well while it gets lots of sleep and rest - let the Zebra worry and fret (and work) - it only exists for the lyon to learn how to be a good and efficient killer (to save his energy to pray to the Lyon God Allah in order to keep the jungle in existence). This is a good solid argument against us - very logical - we need to hear more of this Muslim survival of fittest Muslim scientific theology. Please Post More Naseem - we need you in the worst way! I love your clear writing and stark uncompromissing thinking - wish more of us thought more like you Naseem, All my love, Hal. Help me show them how soft and silly they have become - please!
Naseem tell me since Christian women are allowed to serve the Christian Church, what roles do Muslim women serve inside the Mosque?
Also according to your logic Islam is also a male dominated religion. Allah is a man and his prophet is a man and Muslims must believe in Allah and his messenger Muhammed. Allah is worshiped and Muhammed is highly revered. Also a male was also chosen as Islam's leader after Muhammed died. Also why didn't the early Muslims choose Muhammed's daughter Fatima as their leader. Wasn't she his oldest child?
Ibn Misr - "Naseem" has been banned on Jihad Watch, which is why "she" (really a he, and not a Mohammedan) is commenting here. I'm going to post this on Jihad Watch. We all remember fake female "Mohammedan" Naseem! Hi Naseem! Banned from Jihad Watch, eh? LOL!
Stephanie said:
Ibn Misr - "Naseem" has been banned on Jihad Watch, which is why "she" (really a he, and not a Mohammedan) is commenting here. I'm going to post this on Jihad Watch. We all remember fake female "Mohammedan" Naseem! Hi Naseem! Banned from Jihad Watch, eh? LOL!
I was wondering how a female Muslim could be allowed to come on to this website and make remarks, when in reality Muslim women are prohibited from speaking or doing anything that allowed them to use their brain. Also it is mostly Muslim men who go on anti-islam websites to post irrelevent comments just to distract the infidels.
There are no superlatives sufficient to praise this wonderful exposure of Islam!!! Ibn Misr's chain of logic is unbreakable.
Marie - this Naseem is a woman, and no one would respond so characteristically the same for so long without being a real person - and, she has a wonderful grasp of her religion (read my comments above) and she is more knowledgeable about Muslimism than any Muslim I have ever interacted with before - we should listen closely to her in order to learn about the real Islam - she is an excellent teacher and I would miss hearing from her - she is a constant and good reminder about what we are up against - and, she is clever and entertaining, and, in spite of what you say, very consistent.
Stephanie, I've heard this before, and please keep this information classified and confidential. I believe Nasseem is a magnificent example of an undercover Zionist Christian conspiracy at its best. And I'm not sure I have the ability to adequately praise her/him for the finest performance of a "muslima to boot," giving us the opportunity of digging deeper in the sewers of islam, to serve our purpose. As much as I admire Robert, I disagree with his decision of banning Nasseem, Jihadwatch loss is definitely our gain. And let no one be surprised, if one day Nasseem will be recognized as the Tokyo Rose of Islam.
Kindly/ ibn
She definately is the 'Tokyo Rose' of all Islam, and the most brilliant of all Muslims anywhere - a credit to her religion, a diamond in the rough - the new Saladin(a)!
Thank you Ibn misr;
This is a tremendous breakdown of the Islamic comments, and well appreciated.
Unfortunately for the Muslims who are bumping their heads against the floor 5 times daily, because of a 7th century PERVERTED CRIMINAL WARLORDS con job and statements, I doubt that much will sink in.
For us I believe we must be in a state of WAR against Islam, since they are in a declared WAR against us by their dogma.
Since Saudi Arabia is the source of this pestilence and has a BAN against all Churches, Synagogues, and Temples other than Mosques, we must repay in kind and force Mosques to close in non Islamic countries.
Also Saudi Arabia should be penalized for fostering the infiltration of this abominable CRIMINAL organization, and pay for the tremendous costs of security in our countries against this EVIL dogma.
Remember the International BAN ISLAM petition as a major step in these activities.
Well said. You answered her with style and grace.
Bravo! Bravo, Ibn!
Couldn't say it any better, that Naseem need some slap in the face. Let see if she can slap back this time.
Ibn, thanks for your comment to me. "Naseem" was banned from Jihad Watch because he/she went too far in his/her comments. What I recall is that we discerned, by "her" language that this was no female and no Muslim, either. Well, those discernments really really really upset the imposter "Nasseem," and comments were made resulting in "her" banning. So, now the faker with his perfect command of the English language has migrated to your site. Disregard purposeful errors such as "womens." Look at the sentence structure. This is not a "muslimah" living in Lahore, Pakistan.
Best Regards, Stephanie
Sephanie ! What do you mean she "went too far"? After all, she is a Muslim who is being straight with us about what Islam really believes - she is the only Muslim that tells us the truth, the whole truth, about what Islam really desires and wants - she says it clearly - do you really want to trade her for the usual BULL S**t you get? Naseem is no man, she is a woman and she knows what she is talking about - she tells the truth and reveals what all intelligent and informed Muslims truly believe - why do you want to silence this honest voice? And, I would like to see an example of Naseem "going too far". Lots of people get kicked off of Jihad Watch for doing nothing more than slightly disagreeing with the religiously correct and narrow message parameters - I'll bet you she did not really "go too far" but really did point out a weakness in the non-Muslim mindset - a truth about our weaknesses that we do not like to think about - so we decided to shut up our ears like we do so often. Let Naseem alone - you know in your heart that you can not know for sure that she is a person who is not what she says she is - after all this is the INTERNET and she, like us, is in danger of being targeted by the murderous savages - but I'll tell you this, It is 99% sure she is a woman, and a Muslim who knows well what the heart of MUslimism IS ! Please stop being a censor - she is an intelligent commentator - and the only Muslim that really shows forth the heart of the Koran that I ever heard of. How do you mean, "too far"?
Stephanie said
This is not a "muslimah" living in Lahore, Pakistan
Guess you have not been around Jihad Watch long enough to know that Naseem has spent a lot of time in Britian, she has also stated that her sons are studying at university in the UK.
It may come as a shock to you, but I have meet many Indians and Pakistanis who speak better english than what many English people do.
It is strange that RS at the increasingly political correct Jihad Watch, never during the four years that she was posting revealed her IP address, thus ending all speculation as to where Naseem is located.
What you and many other missed at JW about Naseem is while reading Naseem, one should read in the context of parody.
excuse me, I meant "Stephanie" and the other typos - forgive please, here is what I meant to say: "Sephanie ! What do you mean she "went too far"? After all, she is a Muslim who is being straight with us about what Islam really believes - she is the only Muslim that tells us the truth, the whole truth, about what Islam really desires and wants - she says it clearly - do you really want to trade her for the usual BULL S**t you get? Naseem is no man, she is a woman and she knows what she is talking about - she tells the truth and reveals what all intelligent and informed Muslims truly believe - why do you want to silence this honest voice? And, I would like to see an example of Naseem "going too far". Lots of people get kicked off of Jihad Watch for doing nothing more than slightly disagreeing with the religiously correct and narrow message parameters - I'll bet you she did not really "go too far" but really did point out a weakness in the non-Muslim mindset - a truth about our weaknesses that we do not like to think about - so we decided to shut up our ears like we do so often. Let Naseem alone - you know in your heart that you can not know for sure that she is a person who is not what she says she is - after all this is the INTERNET and she, like us, is in danger of being targeted by the murderous savages - but I'll tell you this, It is 99% sure she is a woman, and a Muslim who knows well what the heart of MUslimism IS ! Please stop being a censor - she is an intelligent commentator - and the only Muslim that really shows forth the heart of the Koran that I ever heard of. How do you mean, "too far"? Did she really hurt your feelings? -
Naseem, if she is who she says she is, is indeed an invaluable specimen which reveals the demented mindset of those afflicted by Islam.
However, before anyone gets the idea that Stephanie is causing trouble and speaking disingenuously I can attest that Spencer has stated many times that Naseem is not who she says. She had commented on JW for over four years. Robert finally let "her" go because she would repond on threads and effectively derail them.
I and others at JW have noticed different writing styles of Naseem through the years as well, indicating at least two people involved in the character of Naseem, although a split personality is always possible.
The bottom line is this: Naseem states that she is a Muslimah from Lahore Pakistan and if her IP address in from the UK, as Spencer has explicitly stated, then she is a charlatan. Ibn Misr certainly knows whether this is true or not.
With Naseem it should be caveat emptor.
Regards.
I do not believe Stephanie is speaking disingenously. If Naseem is the person who she says she is, then she is being honest. But is she is not who she says she, then he/she is playing taqiyya which is common for Muslims commenting on anti-islam websites to do. This also includes making comments that would effectively derail people away from the topic.
Marie ! She is the person she says she is ! But you can't blame her for covering up her address ! Good heavens ! Any Muslim that speaks out in public is in danger of being murdered for being RELIGIOUSLY INCORRECT in the many things she might slip and say - it is dangerous to be any kind of Muslim - every Muslim has a gun pointed at his or her head by other Muslims who are looking for signs of Religious Incorrectness - and, also, JW is also very apt to kick people off for being RELIGIOUSLY INCORRECT. But, one can not have it both ways. Either Islam is not intrinsically psychotic and unfixable, and it is not intrinsically flawed and irreparably and forever an advocate for cold blooded murder, or it is fixable and not intrinsically evil, and is therefore just an innocent but strange religion that has been Hijacked by 'fanantics'. You can't have it both ways! You can't say "it is not unfixable and hopelessly psychotic and murderous" and say at the same time that it has not been hijacked by murderous murderers. A thing cannot be and not be at the same time. Consistantcy is everything - as far as theology goes, at least Naseem is consistent - what else can you expect? What else can you find wrong with Naseem? You can see why she lied about her address! She (and you) would be crasy not to! There's savages out there and they worship an evil and unfixable Bible! God save us from the Religiously Correct who will not condemn Islam as unfixable and hopelessly flawed by intrinsic evil !
awake said:
Naseem states that she is a Muslimah from Lahore Pakistan and if her IP address in from the UK, as Spencer has explicitly stated,
I have been following JW for at least four years, long before Naseem started posting, and I do not recall Spencer giving out her IP address.
Whether or not she is an imposter, she, as Hal states, she was really good at pointing out a weakness in the non-Muslim mindset - a truth about our weaknesses that we do not like to think about.
Also Hal you a quite right about lots of people get kicked off of Jihad Watch for doing nothing more than slightly disagreeing with the religiously correct and narrow message parameters.
Excuse me but that is my opinion.
"Marie ! She is the person she says she is ! But you can't blame her for covering up her address !"
How do you know this? DO you know her personally?
"What else can you find wrong with Naseem? You can see why she lied about her address!"
We don't know why she lied about her address.
After reading everything again and taking all the postings into context, I do think naseem is a muslima who actually hates islam and argues accordingly to a good muslima, but doesn't try too hard to hide her true feelings about the hypocracy of islam.
I might add, I remember Roobart Sbunsar commenting that he did indeed believe that Naseem was a parody. My guess is that the ignorant masses who post at JW couldn't take it, and probably bombarded Sbunsar with private e-mails demanding that Naseem should be banned.
Here is some more of good ole' naseem parody, from dhimmiwatch almost a year ago.....
"...'Marium gave birth to Jesus PBUh on her own under a palm tree in the desert....and then took him back to the town. There she was asked about the "stain" to her family, her tainted honour and the "mistake" she was carrying. Yet others wanted to stone her ....when she was asked to talk about her defence....she said Jesus PBUh will answer.
And answer he did...as a baby he spoke...."I am a messenger....sent down by Allah SWT for the mercy of man"....and I shall leave the legacy of the injeel.
He alluded to the greatest and final prophet coming a tad later....how we have all been so blessed is beyond me....Allah SWT is SO merciful.
Ofcourse within all this good news ...the kaffur puts the boot in with his own version ...the bible.
That he should be crucified and rise again after 3 days ...and be an only son...ridiculious. That's taking things to be far fetched....better that he just spoke as a baby.'
Posted by: Naseem at August 21, 2007 9:43 AM ...."
Anyone can see that naseem is indeed knowledgable about Islam, and likes to slam it in a subliminal way. The last 2 sentences show naseems' true motives.
Naseem is an Ahmadiyya who considers herself Muslim but is considered non-Muslim by the other Muslims
Hal is quite right about her being consistent, as the primary significance of the Ahmadiyya Movement lay in its missionary emphasis. Every Muslim believed that Islam was the only religion free from error. The Ahmadis made it part of their principles to show the errors of other religions to their adherents and to proselytize energetically for Islam.
Although the sect most attacked by Muslims in India and Pakistan, it has also been the one which has worked hardest, to defend and extend Islam against the competition offered by other faiths. Bearing this in mind, I dont blame Naseem for covering her arse.
Also, it is a bit hypocritical to point out that she is covering up her ID when most posters on JW are using Nicks,and Spencer is also posting from "a secrect secure location" in Ameriki where as many anti-jihadist are posting from less secure locations such as myself
I wish Naseem was here to respond.
Marie said:
I wish Naseem was here to respond.
Well, she only does not respond when she feels that it is too dangerous to do so - someone up there said that Spencir outed the country that Naseem was posting from - I don't believe that is the truth, but it gives you an idea of how dangerous it is to communicate with people who have a bible that states that cold-blooded murder is often a good and holy thing to do and please Allah to no end. It is very strange that a person who embraces the concept of Murder and revenge as a good and holy thing to do, and thereby becoming a potential murderer herself, must now live in fear of all her like minded fellow believers who also have become (every single one) potential murderers. But, I hope no one outs me by telling what country I live in (and my precious family) - there are people around me who are clutching their Bible of Murder to their breasts even as we guardedly write truths about them - let us hope Naseem can keep her cover and we can keep ours. it is easy to see how the Muslims shut up the truth by threats of horrific murders in all the countries they gain some footing in - here too, already critics are becoming rare.
Therefore, value and cherish this site! When this beacon of hard truth dies, we will all be a lot closer to watching our loved ones have their heads being slowely sawed off my mindless Musbots!
hal, calm down and get a grip.
As for the outing of Naseem's country by Robert Spencer? Here is the post where Robert banned Naseem:
Warning to readers:
"This "Naseem" claims to be a Muslim woman living in Pakistan."
"Several people have noted on numerous occasions the many incongruities in "her" scenario, not least of all being that "Naseem" is a man's name. This person is likely not a Muslim at all, as is suggested by several of his more absurd posts. He is either not a woman or is so ignorant of actual Islamic culture that he didn't know "Naseem" was a man's name until it was too late, and had to concoct a phony story accordingly. And he is not in Pakistan: his IP traces to Winchester in the UK."
"I am leaning toward banning him at this point, but even if I don't I do urge you to ignore him and recognize him for what he is: a non-Muslim provocateur enjoying getting you riled."
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Posted by: jihadwatch at February 28, 2008 7:13 AM
Here's a quick and insightful addendum by Spencer on the same thread:
Addendum:
"Just think about it for a minute: when actual Muslims comment on this site, they don't taunt and play Tokyo Rose. They invariably insist that Islam is peaceful and that Muslims are victims, etc."
Posted by: jihadwatch at February 28, 2008 7:17 AM
Here is the link to the thread at JW:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020117.php
Like I said, Naseem commented at JW for years. If Robert is telling the truth about the IP address, then Naseem is a charlatan.
The administrator of this site knows whether that is the case or not.
Regards.
er.., excuse me, I meant to write, "...by mindless Musbots", not my mindless musbots as if you wonderful and rare people were mindless musbots - not yet anyway. maybe someday where their extortion reaches its apex...
Awake ! Omygod! Tell me is isn't true! (but you have proof - Omygod! - but, doesn't matter where she is posting from and, as I understand it, Naseem can also be a womans name - and, she is quite consistent and consistency is all we really have to go on - and, she is quite accurate and knowledgeable about her main-stream religion - but, thanks for sharing that with me - very interesting - now I must review all Naseems posts - I still think she is real however... if not, there is some really good descriptions of the philosophical foundation of Islam - things that you never read about in English, but are exactly accurate - if she is not really a Muslim, she is a genus Jew or Christian - more power to her whoever she is (she writes like a woman - I know, I have a lot to do with psychology - my guess is pretty darn good. But, why'd he do that? Isn't it dangerous? would he do that to one of us if we stepped out of line -- Omygod! I would probably not be too hard to track her down if you had some oil money...
Oh, mannnn! Mr. typo can't post without blowing it! I didn't mean to say, "I would probably not be too hard to track her down if you had some oil money..." I meant to say " It would probably not be too hard - the hardest thing I have ever done, except quiting smoking, is the learn to type !!!
Dear brother in arms, Mr. Awake: Consider what Naseem says here. Notice that no one in there right mind would bother to know these things unless they were at one time, or now, a serious Musbot! And, I can not see how she does not exactly mean what she says - if she were trying to make muslims look bad, she could certainly so a better job of it then we see here - just look one more time at Naseems typical and characteristic post. "
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
You must not worry about me Hal....I am always here in spirit and reading.
Bread crisis have happened before in History and will happen again in the future...to link them to Islam is absurd to the nth degree.
Sure there is trouble when food is scarce....this is nature... peoples get hurt in the queues....the odd christian may copt some...but many muslims will get hurt too.
Hunger and famine have always been ways that Allah SWT has used for his slaves to pray to him harder and deeper.....also to get more converts...this is how so many copts became muslims.
Look at trhe following tear-jerking example.
The Qur'aish delayed in embracing Islam for a period, so the Prophet invoked evil on them, saying, 'O Allah! Help me against them by sending seven years of (famine) like those of Joseph.' So they were afflicted with such a severe year of famine that they were destroyed therein and ate dead animals and bones. They started seeing something like smoke between the sky and the earth (because of severe hunger). Abu Sufyan then came (to the Prophet) and said, "O Muhammad! You came to order us for to keep good relations with Kith and kin, and your kinsmen have now perished, so please invoke Allah (to relieve them).' Then Ibn Mas'ud recited:-- 'Then watch you for the day that the sky will bring forth a kind of smoke plainly visible....but truly you will return! (to disbelief) (44.10-15)
Ibn Mas'ud added, Then the punishment was stopped, but truly, they reverted to heathenism (their old way). So Allah (threatened them thus): 'On the day when we shall seize you with a mighty grasp.' (44.16) And that was the day of the Battle of Badr.
So do not fight my friends...let Islam wash over you...do not revert into heathens...copts in particular....and Allah SWT will re-supply you with bread.
April 30, 2008 9:42 AM
hal said:
Why, as always, thank you for your thoughtful post Naseem. You are always welcome here, as you know. Certainly you are correct - there is plenty of oil money for bread - and it is people like you who are finally getting it through thick western heads that Muslims certainly can take over the entire world if given half a chance! People willing to commit suicide can not be bought off or turned back or 'reasoned' with! It is about time they came face to face with real reality - damn babies have been rich far too long! If they don't get over it they will soon be murdered - and their families too!
April 30, 2008 1:25 PM
-- this is a damn good job of pulling the Musbot image out of the deep garbage we Islamophobic poster had just gotten through dumping on the Koran - best I've ever seen when you concider how little she has to work with to begin with!
Awake
I beg to differ and prove both you and Spencer wrong
Naseem is an Urdu name for both males and females and means Morning breeze.
Also she has stated that she travels back and forth between Pakistan and England.
hal;
Could you imagine how upset one might become if they had band from JW? (I bet you can) If a person was band from something that was so important to them the may take malicious action against the group that seemingly threw them out.
What's up with this continual respect and protection for Naseem? Why do you KNOW so much about her?
Strangely she has managed to derail this thread. With your help.
Abrog8 ! What thread? This is the first one we have ever had here at sons of apes and Pigs ! It looks to me like you are the one trying to stop it - stop the first real thread we have ever had! Why would you do that? Perhaps you are the real Naseem! But what is your Point? Is any thing said up there not the truth?
Abrog8 ! Norther thing!! Is anything said on this long thread not right on subject just exactly perfectly? You know it is all right on! So why are you so cynical? ?Why?
The responses to Naseem, whatever he/she/it may be by ibn Misr are deadly accurate.
Shiva, I did not know you were banned from JW. I simply relayed Robert's words so there is no proving me wrong about anything.
The fact is simple. If Naseem is posting from the UK, "she" is a charlatan. If Naseem is posting from Pakistan, "she" is not.
Ask ibn Misri to clarify this once and for all.
Hal, although I think you are completely unhinged, I must make one observation (aside from your atrocious typing skills). Using terms like "musbots" reduces the effectiveness of your argument.
Regards.
Ibn Misr, all Christians (indeed others too) can benefit from this article, keep up the great work.
Awake ! I guess you are right, it is just that that word :Robot and that word Muslim seem to beg to go together - but, in the future I will obey your directive as you indicate that in spite of calling me completely "unhinged" (mentally ill) you did have enough trust in my sanity to give me advice of how to be civil to a Muslim woman who is striving towards meaningfull communication with civilized peoples.
Awake ! I guess you are right, it is just that that word :Robot and that word Muslim seem to beg to go together - but, in the future I will obey your directive as you indicate that in spite of calling me completely "unhinged" (mentally ill) you did have enough trust in my sanity to give me advice of how to be civil to a Muslim woman who is striving towards meaningfull communication with civilized peoples.
awake
Sorry about that. Strange that Spencer despite his vast knowledge of the islamic texts doesn't know that Naseem is a name that is used by both male and female.
Anyway you should know by now that I prefer to take a hard line against Islam
To be perfectly honest I find J.W./D.W. a kind of club, for disaffected boy-scouts, where they meet and congregate around a pair of dead carcases.
The "Master", or his (yawn)"deputy", then post a link, (usually sent in by one of the scouts themselves), and then the "scouts" all take turns to condemn and deride the subject matter at hand.
How cosy...
How false.
And very amusing when Naseem stirred the beans
I am banned because either my support for BNP or because Spencer did not approve of me reminding a certain unpleasant and obnoxious poster called Saracen that their attitude could provoke the rise of Paki-bashing in the UK. Also for pointing out that, Pakistanis where not hanging around schools waiting to molest young girls, or roaming the streets in gangs and seriously beating people, when the mindless paki-bashing was in fashion.
Oddly, Spencer and Marisol considered that Saracen is quite acceptable to their site.
It is a sorry state of affairs that in the UK, the neo-nazis have been neutralized, yet the islamofascists are allowed to roam free with the support of the red fascist UAF which is supported by the present government, trade unions and muslim organizations.
l love this site, and hope l can learn more of ways to answer the islamic appologists and critics of those who understand the death cult called islam. poor Naseem she cannot understand her cult that deny her right to live as an equal among men.
Awesome, this is a document to keep and pass along for maximum visibility. This site is more than a poison pill for Islam, Love it.
Awake ! Speaking of unhinged minds (point of humor - no disrespect meant) why in the world did you write this incomprehensible post that makes no sense at all - surely you can see that Naseem can be from one place and yet post her posts from another without being a "fraud" - but look at this long and illogical typo you wrote, "The fact is simple. If Naseem is posting from the UK, "she" is a charlatan. If Naseem is posting from Pakistan, "she" is not." How could that be a reasonable thing to say - it make no sense at all - please correct it.
I would like to come back to something said earlier. . .
"You have said that Muslims should not have to work because they keep the world in existence by your five times a day praying - as you say, the Koran tells you that the non-Muslims are to labor and build cities that are slated by Allah to fall into Muslim hands. Also you say that as the Zebra (by its death and fear) teachs the Lyon how to hunt and live well while it gets lots of sleep and rest - let the Zebra worry and fret (and work) - it only exists for the lyon to learn how to be a good and efficient killer (to save his energy to pray to the Lyon God Allah in order to keep the jungle in existence). This is a good solid argument against us - very logical - we need to hear more of this Muslim survival of fittest Muslim scientific theology."
For this to be an accurate analogy, the Zebra and Sheep would have the ability to switch and become a lion at any time.
So, what happens to all those lions when the last of the Sheep and Zebra become lions? Only two choices:
1. Eat other lions. (Not surprising given the frequency with which muslims kill other muslims. Sunna killing Shia, Shia killing Sunna. . and so on. Since each muslim gets to judge the "true muslimness" of other muslims, they will be killing each other for a long time.. .
3. Eat nothing and Die out. (Most likely scenario. Lions, sheep and zebra's do not have the ability to produce anything. Conversely, they cannot grow anything for food. . they must survive on what is AVAILABLE. . . if no one is producing, presumably all will be muslims and there will be no one to do any work, then ALL WILL DIE.)
Once again, a well thought out Muslim propisition. . Do these people have ANY critical thinking skills?
No, Paul_troon - You have not yet grasped Islamism! Here is a religion that agrees with Luther, that reason is evil, as Luther said, "that bitch goddess, Reason!" Islamism believes that Allah is beyond reason and that to suggest that he would be confined by the rules of logic and reason might get you murdered on the spot - pure blasphemy! Allah is pure magic and is not at all limited to common-sense. That is why we Catholics can not talk to them - when we question the Koran, pointing out contradictions (something we like to do with our Bible) They fly into a rage - Allah is above truth for truth is only what He says it is - and He can change it anytime He wishes. When we read our Bible and we find something that seems illogical, we say, "Well, it can't mean that so it must be another interpretation - not so with the creatures of Allah.
Assalamau Laikum all,
I have been busy lately...came wondering by and found this thread ....about little old me...tee hee...awwww! how touching...and not all of it bad either.
But seriously...so many points to answer...and not so much time...but I will answer some...related to the banning of me at JW.
I can tell you it was unexpected...and catagorically in 4 years of commenting at JW never did I ask for any quarter nor desired it.
Islam must stand by itself...or it will fall...but it cannot ...because Allah SWT has made it strong, only kaffur foolishly dilute the teachings of their god...Islam shall make no such mistake.
Secondly never did I condone any acts of violence, support any violence or dance in the streets....I did not derail threads...mostly I stayed bang on topic....except the one time when I announced that my shor Anwer had died after a protracted illness ...he was badly injured in the earthquake that took place in Pak about 5 years ago....that was the one time that I admit that my grief clouded my judgement...perhaps I could apologise to JW about that...only that I cannot because I am banned.
Folks, I am sorry to say that JW is becoming an increasingly irrelevent site when it comes discuss Islam...paradoxically ....this is what Robert ( I can no longer call him Mr. Spencer) created the site for.
Any muslim/muslima that come comes along either gets hounded out, banned or labelled as a troll....why?....why are muslims banned to comment on Islam ...in that dark little corner of Amerike virtual land called JW.
On that site ...it's commentators like catgirl, darcy or Abscerede...who run to the administrator(s)....to complain about a muslim who has turned up to comment and defend his/her position on Islam....how so very pathetic.....even in Pak I can comment about the goodness of Islam...but not on JW.
JWers indeed have become an "islamophobic" club...with no tolerance to muslims...and yet they want ti talk about Islam....I predict a nose dive in the ratings for that site...and guess what...they only have themselves to blame.
As for Naseem...being a male or female name....google it..you will find Naseem Ahmed (a very successful fashion designer)...the daughter of Mohammed Rafi (arguably the greatest Bollywood male singer of all time)...yes indeed Robert was caught with his pants down there.
As to whether I am a muslima or not...I spent 4 years trying to convince the folks there....but with little success....I don't worry about it any more...what's the point.
As to whether I am in Pak or not...I told the folks that I am .....by using a VPN tunnel to the UK...you can work out the rest...for me security is important...just like it is to Robert who lives at "Secureville".....you have heard the goose and gander story.
I would like to read some of Ibn's write up agin before commenting on the points he raised...
I will respond with more later.....
May Allah Paak sho you light...
Ah, Naseem, at last you are back - good to hear from you again! Most of us believe in you now! but, as you point out, "...for me security is important...just like it is to Robert who lives at "Secureville".....you have heard the goose and gander story.", life is fleeting and dangerous, so keep yourself alive - you needed worry about us, I hope you know, we will not harm you or yours, however, the people who hold the Koran to be rigidly perfect and unchangeable in the least - even about those things Mohammad wrote during the many wars he started - certainly will harm you and yours! So, I for one - having developed a real admiration and affection for you, are very happy that you are looking to your continued survival - welcome back, all my love to you, Hal oxoxooxooxxoooxoxoxoxox
Naseem said..
"...it's commentators like catgirl, darcy or Abscerede...who run to the administrator..."
Yeah, I had a slight run-in with the not-so-bright 'darcy', she is exceedingly annoying. Furthermore, I am not surprised she couldn't grasp your posts naseem, because she wasn't even able to comprehend a pretty obvious sarcastic post I made a little while back at JW.
'darcy' even took the time to angrily respond to my post, proving her ignorance. So, I followed that up with another sarcastic post responding to her, where she then told me to "Just shut up". Typical reply from a person with the intellect of a child.
Naseem, glad to hear from you again, it just wasn't the same here without you.
You can bet the haters of clear communication - those judges who love the evidence of gossip, will be flooding Ibn with telling on all of us. Do you think he can stand against the tide?
Naseem ! I hate to ask you hard questions because I am afraid you will go away, but, anyway, up there you said, "...how so very pathetic.....even in Pak I can comment about the goodness of Islam...but not on JW." So, I was wondering what would happen to you if you commented about the badness of Islam in Pak?
I am not frightened, I am confident that Ibn would never reveal the country or town that I am posting from - this because he is well aware of how dangerous it is to deal with so many people who swear by a perfect Bible that advocates the cold-blooded murders of totally innocent people. By the way, perhaps someone out there can explain to me why Spencir published Naseems country and town? It seems that he really did - the proof is up there on this thread - devastating, and frightening. I am an extreme Islamophobe, and I think anyone in their right mind should be one too,
A strange paradox ! It is not only us westerners who are ISLAMOPHOBIC but so are all Muslims islamophobic - total fear is how muslims govern themselves - ironic - they are more Islamophobic than we are by far - lock
-step behavior requires an atmosphere of fear
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
You said....I am confident that Ibn would never reveal the country or town that I am posting from .....
You should be less trusting....I took this very same stance when posting on JW...and yet...the betrayal was shocking.
Luckily my faith never did reside with JW administrators/owners.... it lies with Allah T'allah....a different entity altogether.
Yes Naseem, it is shocking to me - like a blow in the face. I am taking your caring warning to heart - perhaps I too suffer from an extended western babyhood - from now on I shall be a little more careful - Have a nice day old friend, hal
What is this some sort of dating forum? Geesss....Get a room.
how many “good” muslims will be left if your Islamic authorities abrogate the apostasy law and differentiate islam from the Mafia?
This is an interesting question. It seems to me that the average muslim (Naseem) would continue down her chosen path even if given a choice. This type of programming is hard wired. How many would step away from BEING "the best of peoples"? Being a darling for freedom and humanity means nothing to them. The line is drawn clearly. On one side we have the "best of peoples" and on the other we have the rest (kafr).
But, Naseem, if Spencer banned you off Jihad Watch, why did you write the following? "So you think that Naseem is soley a man's muslim name is it.
So why don't you ask these womens that they are also called Naseem:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=165786098
http://www.indmedica.com/cdis/cdis.cfm?cdid=518&catid=16
http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-attia-naseem-md-8dde5c85.cfm
One them.... the doctor is in New York....why don't you look her up and ask her why she is not a Man.
It is like I said in a previous thread somewhere....you may know a lot about the ingredients of Islam...but (unlike me)you are not a muslim. You look at things from afar and can never understand Islam completely....and you make such a basic mistake about names....
Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
Abrog8 ! Shame on you! You are culturally insensitive and impolite! Before we get a room, we will need to arrange a ten minute marriage contract ! (still, you have to admit that that is a more moral alternative than what happens when most people here "get a room!").
hal, I read ya loud and clear. But ten minutes? You'd still be messing with the hijab thingy.
For a hundered bucks you can have an hour with womens in NYC. I'm sure they would humor your request for a contract as well.
Abrog8 "No, no, you don't understand! Naseem is every bit as beautiful as anyone one of the 72! Therefore even though admittedly the Hijab will take about nine minutes, the other will only take about 45 seconds.
Assalamau Laikum all,
What's all this talking behind my slim back. Know that I have only worn a hijab close to my marriage day..my normal attire is salvar kameeez.
Abro8 says "It seems to me that the average muslim (Naseem) would continue down her chosen path even if given a choice".
It always saddens me to see this type of coment....the implication being that muslimas are somehow "held" due to lack of choices.
I don't feel I am held back...other than my lonliness at losing my Anwer I am not unhappy. All humans are born as muslims...it is the parents that pollute...soiling thier beliefs....the lucky ones remaiin as muslims and practice Islam.
Think way back when you were a foetus growing in your amma...there you cried, clenched your fists, kicking your mother's belly ...praying and pleading to Allah to be allowed to be born...that you will remain faithful and pray to allah swt.
Being muslim is more than a way of life...it is part of our DNA.
On the subject of apostasy Naseem seems to be telling me that muslims are free to choose thier faith. That's odd since I see things like this on a daily basis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK_vJfoT2Ww&eurl=http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/
Perhaps Naseem is more learned than the misunderstanders that are regarded as most knowledgeable on islam.
You know Naseem, you could really be helpful to the victims of islam if you posted your insight on muslim sites rather than that of the infidel. And there you wouldn't have to post anonymously. No fear right?
"All humans are born as muslims...it is the parents that pollute...soiling thier beliefs....the lucky ones remaiin as muslims and practice Islam."
All humans are born Muslims? LOL. I am in no way a Muslim, nor was I born one, and nor will I consider becoming a Muslim. My parents did not soil my beliefs. In fact I am more religious then they are.
"Think way back when you were a foetus growing in your amma...there you cried, clenched your fists, kicking your mother's belly ...praying and pleading to Allah to be allowed to be born...that you will remain faithful and pray to allah swt."
Every baby prays to Allah in their womb? How do you know this? Are you an Obstetricion? I did not start praying to God until I was in my late teens. Also God gave us freewill. That means we have the choice to follow God or not, because God wants us all to follow him of our own freewill. He does force us to follow him.
I remember well kicking my mother in the Belly and yelling at her, "Get your infidel ass to the Mosque right now before you ruin my whole life!", now that you mention it.
sorry I'm joking around a little, I did not realize that you had suffered a great personal loss until I reread, "my loneliness at losing my Anwer" I realize such a loss is hard and I can guess that he was a wonderful man who enjoyed communicating with you as you are a good communicator, and probably have some trouble finding people who can communicate on your level - my real condolences, Hal.
Naseem was referring to a common belief in Islam, that all humans are born Muslims. Anyone to converts to Islam is referred to as an revert.
you apes and pigs don't realize it yet, but Naseem is a pearl of great price, and when she dies, Allah will make her number 73 among those who can grow a certain thin skin back in just a few minutes!
LOl,i have had the pleasure of chatting with Nasseem at Jihadwatch.Our first conversation was about how her uncle got stuck with the ugliest bride in the village after he was skipping and whistling as he thought he was going to get a beauty,he got out bidded lol
She is a wack job Islam appologist in pakistan who doesn't have a man to keep her off the computer.
daralharb! she has a 'slim back' just like she said! From now on I am going to referr to her as "number 73".
A man my age is indeed forturnate to be in contact with a woman who has a "slim back" Too many now a days have a rather "fat back". I know that Naseem is a beautiful woman and will someday be number 73 in heaven and her reward will be a warriors galore! But, before then, perhaps one of us...
"daralharb! she has a 'slim back' just like she said! From now on I am going to referr to her as "number 73"."
As much as I disagree with her postings, I do not believe it is appropriate to refer to her as one of the 72 houris, because they are whores!
hummm.., I never thot of 'em as "whores"But it is hard for me to think of what they are - only a born Muslim would know the reson why they are not Whores - we beg you Naseem to enlighten us as to what exactly the houris are - they must be like us because we can have almost unliminted sex with'em! But, never fear, Naseem will know...
X-L-NT article ibn Misr !!!!!!!!
Lot's of things here to consider.
Think I'll curl up with a good book.
hmmmm..... Oh yeah....
I have some of this Robert Spencer guy.
http://www.jihadwatch.org
Mark Steyn is so dipressing. I need a pick-me-up.
Assalamau Laikum all,
Judging from this thread the 72 "houris" is certainly a topic that the kaffur finds incomprihensible and then goes onto ridicule it.
The kaffur should remember that this very same topic will (according to his faith) send a young (possibly virgin) man to meet them.
In my opinion.... he won't find them. The Quaran talks about being rewarded with 72 "rasins" when you "fight and die in the way of Allah".
But the equation is simple....if you like the idea of the 72 houris....then convert , fight and die in the way of Allah SWT ...and meet them at the end of the "rainbow"...it really is that simple.
Naseem, it cannot be completely lost on you that in order to believe in 72 raisins for a reward for a holy suicide (or what ever hard thing you did to get to heaven) you must believe that the Koran is a rip-off of Aramaic Christian texts! And, who, would do all that for a handful of damn raisins anyway! Come on Naseem! You know your young men are murdering and sacrificing for a chance to jump the bones of 72 magic angels, and while they are doing that, they will be too busy to talk to you about theology and and other relationship will also be out of the picture - give it up Naseem - you don't really believe in this crap do you?
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
You don't really know what I believe in and what I don't.
I don't believe that 72 houris exist in the afterlife....although I do belive very strongly in the afterlife.
I belive that in spreadiing peaceful dawa, this will please Allah SWT and I am building brownie points for my afterlife...where perhaps I will meet my Anwer again.
I am
I do believe that Allah T'allah is all powerful and all mighty....and yes I cannot believe how lucky I am to be be born and remain a muslima.
Yes Naseem, I do know what you believe because you have just told me exactly what you believe: Here is what you said, "In my opinion.... he won't find them [anyone who looks for 72 magic virgins]. The Quaran talks about being rewarded with 72 raisins when you fight and die in the way of Allah"." And now you say, that I really do not know what you believe? Yes I do! And what you believe is what Christian language experts believe and have printed in books available to all of us from Amazon! You can no longer be a sane Muslim, and if your fellow Muslims get a hold of you, they will kill you for being an Blasphemer and a changer or what the Koran states as truth! You are now a target for those purists who really believe what the Koran says is perfect truth - and they have an idea where you live - be careful my friend. When one lives by a perfect book that says God approves of the murder of some innocent people, one can become a cut-throat in an instant.
Naseem is in great danger and I for one do not want to lose her - she is a revisionist of the Koran and as such is in danger of being erased by one of those cold-blooded murders approved of by the Koran and related holy literature! Those of us who have an idea of where Naseem lives should keep this information to ourselves so that Naseem will be somewhat safe (though to be safe and Muslim at the same time is close to impossible). Here is the Blasphemy that she committed in her own words, "I don't believe that 72 houris exist in the afterlife". We must help her all we can - best way right now to do that is DO NOT REVEAL HER WHEREABOUTS! No matter what!
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
Calm down Hal, ...I have not Blasphemed....I have intepreted the Koran correctly.
It does not mention 72 houris....only 72 rasins, this is not blaspheming...someone's been telling you porkies.
Naseem ! such ignorance of your own beloved religion is painful for us to behold - please, go back to believing that your departed husband is wallowing in virgins - look at what you are doing - change or soon you will be raisin number 73 - there is no 'raisin ' in Islamic literature or traditions - you are guilty of Blasphemy - don't believe me? Well, just read below! By the way, you said you were going to answer Ibn's long work up on you! But you have not - obviously you can not return an answer on even one small thing! Also, why did you say you were Banned when you quit JW on your own? Ah, Naseem, my slim little raisin #73.
Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.
Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.
Assalamu Laikum all,
Looks like Luxenberg is like a rare gem....a thinking infedel...one of a few to compare with highly competent Islamic scholars when it comes to Koran teachings...
I knew about this in childhood...it is what our local Ahmadi imam used to teach....so "white rasins" it is.
So upon reaching Jannat you get the best of food (& drink)..I have also been taught that all food found there is already halal. I am sure that you know halal and haram are in fact universal terms that apply to all facets of life...good and bad...allowed anf forbidden.
So in Jannat you can expect:
Seafood....The Qur'an states that everything from the sea is halal, including carnivores such as sharks.
Allah is most merciful and will have taken account of artificial additives which are halal and which are haram.
A full list of E-Numbers and whether they are permissible or not is provided by the "Muslim Consumer Group", however Allah may know others which we have not yet discovered.....Note that these will have been dealt with already.
In this life however please note the main additives you need to be aware of are:
a) Cochineal (E120) - this is obtained from the blood of the Cochineal beetle. This additive is always haram because the consumption of blood and insects is forbidden.
b) Glycerol / Glycerin / Glycerine (E422) - haram if obtained from pork or non-halal meat sources.
c) Gelatin / Gelatine (E441) - haram if obtained from pork or non-halal meat sources - the source is sometimes mentioned on the ingredients list.
d) Emulsifiers (E470 to E483) - haram if obtained from pork or non-halal sources.
e) Edible Bone Phosphate (E542) - haram if obtained from pork or non-halal meat sources.
Note that some cheeses, including popular types such as Cheddar, are made with an ingredient called 'rennet'. Traditionally, this is obtained from the cow's stomach which, if the cow was not slaughtered according the Islamic rites, would render it haram.
All these problems have been taken care of in Jannat including Wine which tastes like wine ...but is non intoxicating
....enjoy.
Calm down Hal, ...I have not Blasphemed....I have intepreted the Koran correctly.
It does not mention 72 houris....only 72 rasins, this is not blaspheming...someone's been telling you porkies.
May 14, 2008 4:09 AM
Houri is classical Arabic describing chaste females in Heaven.
Here's something from wiki that supports my assertion.
The houri have variously been described as being "chaste females"[8], "restraining their glances"[8][9], "modest gaze"[4], "wide and beautiful/lovely eyes"[8][10][11][3], "untouched / with hymen unbroken by sexual intercourse"[9][12], "like pearls"[13], "virgins"[14], "voluptuous/full-breasted"[15][5], "with large, round breasts which are not inclined to hang"[16], "companions of equal age"[15][2], "non-menstruating/urinating/defecating and childfree"[16][17], "60 cubits [27.5 meters] tall"[18][19][17], "7 cubits [3.2 meters] in width"[17], "transparent to the marrow of their bones"[16][20], "eternally young"[21], "hairless except the eye brows and the head"[21], "pure"[20], "beautiful"[20], "white"[22], "splendid"[1] and much more besides.
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[edit] Classical Arabic usage
According to classical Arabic usage in the time when the Qur'an was recited by Muhammad, Hur'in is made of two words Hur as well as In