Four Copts massacred in Cairo gangland style

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For the last twenty five years, muslim fundamentalists attacked and robbed Coptic jewelers who refused to pay the jeziah

It's worth noting that the all powerful Egyptian security apparatus never succeeded in bringing any of the perpetrators to justice. 

 

Middle-East News

May 28, 2008

Two men on motorbike enter Copts owned jewellery shop in Egyptian capital's Zeitoun district, shoot dead owner, staff.

The victims included the owner, named as Makram Gamil, 60, and one of his staff, named as Makram Salib, 22, both of them Christians. The other names were not immediately available.

CAIRO - Two men in wigs and sunglasses shot dead four Coptic Christians jewellery shop workers in the Egyptian capital on Wednesday in an apparent gangland-style killing, a security official and witnesses said.

The shooting happened at around 12:30 pm (0930 GMT) in the mixed Christian-Muslim district of Zeitoun in northeast Cairo, the official said, adding that the attackers escaped without stealing anything from the shop.

Eyewitnesses said that the men arrived at the shop on a motorbike, walked in and shot dead the shop's owner and three employees before driving away, in a rare act of brazen bloodshed in the capital.

"Preliminary investigations show that the motivation behind the attack could have been revenge," the official said, adding that the owner had frequent disputes with local residents.

The official had initially said the killings were the result of a drive-by shooting.

Police, who swiftly cordoned off the area, found 15 revolver shell casings at the scene, the official said.

Cairo's Zeitoun district is a famed pilgrimage site where, according to witness accounts, the Virgin Mary appeared above the Church of Saint Mary over a period of several years in the late 1960s.

The apparitions were seen by millions including Copts, Muslims, Jews and atheists.

Egypt's Copts - the largest Christian community in the Middle East - account for an estimated twelve to 15 percent of the country's 80 million inhabitants and complain of systematic discrimination and harassment.

Tensions often run high between Egypt's Muslim and Christian communities in an increasingly religious society dominated by Sunni Muslims.

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hal said:

And soon it shall be for us (US) - everyday and everyway oil money bribes are moving us closer to being a Muslim country - this started long ago - look at all the Masonic symbols - the moon and the star will soon fly over America - it is what they want, just ask them - Now there's a real religion they will say. Funny how money always puts someone like Naseem in charge - better make friends with her.

moderationist said:

Egypt used to be one of the great countries of the world. When the muslims took over from the copts, muslims turned Egypt into one of the worst countries of the world

Naseem said:

Assalamau Laikum all,

I feel for these copts who were stolen from…..I really do…they have to earn a living too… but I wonder if they need to think differently…. if only they would study their history carefully, look and consider their bleak future and consider moving towards the light of Islam….as so many of their ancestor friends have done so many yesterdays ago …and their childrens are now happily praying 5 times a day.

Let us consider some of the facts to help you make your minds up.

1) The population of the Copts has decreased from 9 million at the time of the Arabs knocking on their door in 641 A. D. to a miserly approximate 700,000 at the early 1900's. Now let me tell you that withering on a vine is a slow painful process …and simply not worth it…make the sahada and make dua…and hey presto….your problems are definitely reduced.

2) When ruled by the Arabs, Mamluks and Turks, most of these rulers needed the (local) knowledge of the Copts to govern the country and collect taxes. Your history shows a cycle in which the Muslim rulers hire Copts because of their knowledge, skill and honesty to administer the affairs of the government of Egypt. Accordingly, the Copts would do well and prosper, and ultimately the many rulers would change their minds for different reasons and expel the Copts from government jobs, but as the affairs of the government become erratic without the Copts knowledge, the rulers return back to hire the Copts again and so on.

This is the role of the dhimmi….and it seems that copts make excellent dhimmis….thus leaving the muslims with adequate time for prayer to Allah SWT….thank you for this service…if however you don’t want to “dhimminify”…..turn to the sahada.

3) The poll tax, (Algyzia) was finally abolished in 1815 A.D. This gave some relief to the Copts in the 19th century-mid 20th century and that period saw a modest revival and renewal for you. Your leader, Pope Cyril 4th a reformist followed the ancient Egyptian or Coptic tradition of respect for knowledge and learning in the 19th century. He established two schools with a western schooling system, and imported a new printing press to disseminate information.

It is believed however that the internal coptic agents poisoned him and he died in 1861 A.D., as they were concerned about his reformist movement, upsetting their own government jobs. This shows that the Copts cannot help themselves to recover….another good reason for the sahada.


4) As time went on The Nasser government followed a socialist regime and nationalized most of the private enterprises, which hit the Copts a lot harder as they depended on private businesses for their livelihood.

In conclusion….look …you might as well give it …let someone else do the dhimmi work….be the dog at the top….receiving the light…you know it makes sense.

moderationist said:

The Copts are up against the most violent, evil, false belief system the world has ever known.

hal said:

4 Comments about words from Naseem that no one in their right mind can trust:

You are such a holy liar Naseem - the Local Ahmadi never told you the 72 whorii were raisins - not in a million years - that little surprise was revealed Luxenberg who wrote a book showing that the Koran is really a plagiarism of old bad false Christian books that were not written in Arabic, but Aramaic. You are a liar - so, if you want us to take you seriously, just admit it and we will forgive you and go one communicating with you as before - but it is impossible that you are telling the truth Naseem - also you are putting yourself in danger from your own kind by doing what they clearly have defined as Blasphemy of the highest order! Get clear Naseem, fess up! As for my great attaction to you, we can't be together as you know you would be murdered for such a thing! Remember Naseem, when you said:

Assalamu Laikum all,

Looks like Luxenberg is like a rare gem....a thinking infedel...one of a few to compare with highly competent Islamic scholars when it comes to Koran teachings...

I knew about this in childhood...it is what our local Ahmadi imam used to teach....so "white rasins" it is. [confess, get clean Naseem!}
May 28, 2008 9:47 AM
hal said:

As for your lie that you really have been expelled from J W, just because they won't let you back on after you promised them you would never post again because you didn't like them anymore - so of course they, being somewhat hurt, won't let you back on - No one likes a quitter Naseem - come on, get real - what did you expect? But the fact remains, you expelled yourself forever, not Spencer!
May 28, 2008 12:21 PM
hal said:

I can see you praying(in my mind's eye) right now Naseem (it is about that time). Here is what you are saying, " PLease Allah, who has no partner or friend - just slaves, all who must love him or suffer things beyond belief, please put more and better lies in head which sits atop my slim back. Oh, Master of the universe, let me outwit Hal with truly brilliant lies, and let the filthy readers and poster on THE SONS OF APES AND PIGS (which thou knowest they surely are) forget forever that I have been caught red-handed lying to them in order to hide those hard to explain things in our religion, like the 72 whorii(s)!

hal said:

Naseem! It is not lost on us that all of your invitations to join the Slaves of Allah, is also a threat to murder us, or reduce us to a state of abject servantude. We know that before you take such extreme action you are called upon by that king of robbers, Mohammad, to invite to the Holy Hoard. So we know it is only you wishing, wishing, wishing, to place a knife at our throats, Muslim style. We are Islamophobes, everyone of us = that is what you are too Naseem, or whatever your real name is. Better not reveal it! Allahs Holy warriors will not approve of your agreement with a non-Muslim that the 72 whorii are really just raisins - they are very mad at you, and you know what that means-and they know what town you live in...

hal said:

Naseem reveals the universal mind-set of all Muslims - if you are smart you will pay attention to what she says and learn from it! "This is the role of the dhimmi….and it seems that copts make excellent dhimmis….thus leaving the Muslims with adequate time for prayer to Allah SWT….thank you for this service…if however you don’t want to “dhimminify”…..turn to the sahada (that is, you can become a privileged slave of Allah any time you stop being stubborn)" These are the enlightened word of Naseem." So, read carefully what she wrote up there - she has revealed the mind of Islam perfectly - much better'n any of us could do it."Copts make excellent Dhimmies". Well, they probably do - and you too! Better fight for your soul now, or you are going to end up exactly like the Copts - How to fight? There is only one way will work - watch Ibn and do what he does - show that Islam is Unfixable and Psychotic!

Kaffr said:

Nassim - You're not really a woman, are you? You sound like a full blown Sheikh! Regardless, by your very own words you show yourself to be a perfect and true Muslim! The garbage that spews forth from that hole in your face PERFECTLY illustrates the plight of Christian Egyptians living in Egypt for the last miserable 1400 years under the 'Religion of Peace'!! Summed up in one word - Hatred.

The fact that Christians in Egypt deteriorated from 9 million to 700,000 is a direct result from having a sword at their throats for a mere 1400 years. What you don't realize is that the simple survival of the Copts is a gift from God!! And it's only by the sheer Grace of God that Copts have survived the 'Religion of Knives' for the last millennia and a half. Sadly, many an ethnic group have not...Byzantines, Persians, and countless other kafirs who were obviously not worthy of life.

Wherever Islam has spread bloodshed is sure to follow. Just check history, and by History, I mean non-Arab sources. And don't you see a STARK difference in the lives that Muhhammad and Jesus led????? This is what baffles me to no end!! The lives they led and their respective messages couldn't be more profoundly different in EVERY SINGLE aspect! Somehow, he's convinced billions of this ridiculous message. Thankfully, the civilized world is just now starting to wake up to the horrors that await us if we keep submitting to Islam. Of course my framework in not since 9/11 but since Amr Ibn il ASS 'liberated' Byzantine Egypt and 'freed' the Egyptians to embrace/offer their necks to Islam for the next 1400 years.

Talk about being on the frontlines of the War on Terror and surviving to tell about it, the Copts are it!

I mean, people throw around the word "islamophobe" as if it's a terrible word...but Islam, and Muslims like you, scare the SHIT outta me!!!

I also hope to Christ that filth like you doesn't live in America!! You would be the poster child for Immigration Reform!!!!!! Please tell me you live far away..

- An Islamophobe

Naseem said:

Assalamau Laikum kaffr,

It is very disappointing that you view me in the way that you do. I mean all that I have done is express a viewpoint....not threatened you in any way or even upset you.

You should not be afraid of me....I am a widowed muslima...living many thsousands of miles away....your next door neighbour is probably more of a threat.

Anyway...one should only be afraid of Allah T'allah's wrath...not of a fellow human being....I always pray for his mercy....you lack faith and conviction...and perhaps lack of prayer will be your undoing...but only Allah T'allah knows best.

Muhd's PBUH and Isa (Jesus) PBUh being decendents of Hazrat Adam and Amma Hewa are not so different....stop being so paranoid.

p.s. I was thinking of visting the Amerike on holiday...I want to see for myself whether the Amerike really are friendly or not?

What in your opinion is the best state to visit in the Amerike?

Peace and light shine upon thee ...

Kastrioti said:

YES! That's the ole' Naseem I was looking for.

Everyone, Naseem is a provacateur. "She" is ghost-wrtiting as a Muslima to get a valid point across condemning Islam. I don't want to speculate what Naseem is, but I would guess "Naseem" is a former muslim who despises Islam.

I am going to take Naseems words and give you my perception of them.....

Statement 1: "...as so many of their ancestor friends have done so many yesterdays ago …and their childrens are now happily praying 5 times a day..."

Does anyone else not see this statement as a mocking of the islamic practice? I read a condecending tone to it, essentially making fun of the Islamic prayer practice.


Statement 2: "...Your history shows a cycle in which the Muslim rulers hire Copts because of their knowledge, skill and honesty..."

This line implies that ONLY the Copts had "knowledge, skill and honesty", not the muslims. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the Muslim's of Egypt in my mind. Why would someone want to become part of a religion that has no "knowledge, skill and honesty"?


Statement 3: "...In conclusion….look …you might as well give it …let someone else do the dhimmi work….be the dog at the top….receiving the light…you know it makes sense..."


No muslim online would ever bring up the dhimmi argument to try and persuade others to be a mulsim. Again, Naseem is a telented provacateur, "she" is currently NOT a muslim, and, in my opinion, does a great deal to insult Islam while appearing to praise it. I am able to understand the Naseem approach and appreciate it, but most are not.

Keep it up Naseem!

hal said:

No, Kastrioti, you are wrong - Naseem really is a woman - and the way she is attempting to educate you, is exactly the way a mature Muslim would try to convert someone that this Muslim respected. Naseem is showing us exactly how it is supposed to be done. I don't know why so many of you do not recognize it - I think you are shocked that the convertion attempt sounds so much like the theory of the Survival of the Fittest. In the Muslim's world view, the non-muslims are very skillful at doing materialistic work (exactly what you would expect from a useful and skillful slave or servant). This is why Naseem says that Copts are very skillful and clever about low and materialistic and non-heavenly things. They are made that way by Allah so that the best of humans, all chosen by Allah a million years before they were born, predistined by God to be nothing but of ruler of servants and slaves - the supreme leader-slaves of Allah! And those who will not become slaves of Allah, were predestined by God to be slaves for those who were picked (free-will is not a part of Islamic belief). So, those nice things she says are not said to do anything more than appeal to the type of mentality that would love such a world-view. It sound like a joke to you, but I promise that to a certain type of person it sounds just right, and is capable of drawing in many converts. Because of this lack of Free Will, it is no shame if a people are conquered by Muslims, it just means that they are picked by God to be rulers of the humans Allah created to be slaves, and the war and death that happened to them were just a culling to rid their numbers of deadwood. Every Muslim believes that they should understand that when they pray five times a day they keep Allah from destroying the world. If they stop praying Allah will Kill everybody - only the praise of Prayer keeps the world alive - therefore leaving Politics and Brain-surgery and rocket science and everything else as a relatively inferior skill. But, I posted a whole lot about this - if you read what I wrote you will understand perfectly how the Muslims succeed so well, and how they cannot but succeed in appealing to a certain kind of mentality - I know you have wondered how in the world they can succeed so well in their war against civilization, well, wonder no more cuz it has been explained to you - check it out - Naseem is an evil woman with a sharp tongue capable of converting those inclined toward evil - and a proven liar. She will do anything to collect the potential suicide bombers among us to the cause of Allah -learn to recognize it before it is too late!

Kastrioti said:

"...No, Kastrioti, you are wrong..."

I could be Hal, I could be.

Either way, there is no way I will ever convert, and if that's what Naseem is attempting to do, convert the kaffir, then she is FAILING, miserably.

hal said:

Yes, Kastrioti, Naseem can not appeal to sane, civilized people - but she is not looking for such people, and there are lots of the other kinds - the useful kind - the kind that will make excellent suicide bombers and lovers of the harsh and heartless Koran. It just take a few thousand of these Musbots to conquere a nation - look at history, look at Lebanon right now, look to yourself before it is too late, like Egypt (a tomb of Muslim conquest)!

hal said:

Naseem can not appeal to sane, civilized people - but she is not looking for such people, and there are lots of the other kinds - the useful kind - the kind that will make excellent suicide bombers and lovers of the harsh and heartless Koran. It just take a few thousand of these Musbots to conquere a nation - look at history, look at Lebanon right now, look to yourself before it is too late, like Egypt (a tomb of Muslim conquest)!

hal said:

Mohamad Abdurrahman - but I told you all this before ! Why won't you respond? Do you think that I am lying to you? I answered all your questions perfectly - but like Naseem, you can answer none of Ibn's or mine - well, it is not lost on us that your Bible, The Koran, encourages you to lie to us - we see your sudden silence as just another lie - we expect you to lie - in the end, you will be proven an outrages liar, just like Naseem! Break away from the evil influence of the Koran, act truthfully, come towards us - all men are sinners, don't be embarrassed about it.

hal said:

This is the only site that Muslims are allowed to post at will on, and say anything they want to say, and yet they very seldom post because they cannot stand to see the truth. It is obvious to everyone who frequents Ape and Pigs that Muslims frequently lie in order to Please Allah, the god of liars - when their lies no longer wash, they go back to their cursing five times a day. "Oh Allah! Please give all the Christians Cancer and their children too!" (typical Muslim Prayer)

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