"The best people that Allah ever created" hit a new low, and mourn their failure to throw the Jews to the sea
Thanks to Elisabeth, our correspondant in Austria
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There are people celebrating 60 years of the founding of Israel, and there are others who are talking about “naqba”, Arabic for catastrophe. Joy and sorrow can lie together very closely. Some are celebrating an anniversary, others are still waiting for statehood. No one is speaking of the Palestinians’ right to statehood. Naturally no one will explicitly question this right, but implicitly everything is being done to prevent this from happening. Illegal settlements are criss-crossing the country and preventing it from being economically and politically viable. This is a policy of fait accompli, a done deal.
Ben Gurion himself once expressed its concern that the Arabs would never recognize Israel. Biblical legitimacy is unilateral, which may apply for the Jews, but this cannot obligate others, especially not the Arabs, the immediate adversaries in the conflict. The horrors of the Holocaust constitutes the convincing argument in this discussion, since none other than Abba Eban called the 1967 borders the borders of Auschwitz.
But this legitimacy is only partly universal, because the Holocaust has committed the Western world to its dark pages of history and because the Palestinians have nothing to do with the Holocaust. Still fresh in our memory is the refusal of the then Foreign Minister of Egypt, Amr Musa, who in the 1990’s refused the otherwise obligatory visit to the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial, saying that the Arabs could not be committed to the Holocaust.
What is left for the Arabs is the factualness of recognition of Israel. And this seems the only possible way of a pragmatic solution. Israel should allow more pragmatic rather than dogmatic discussions. Offers for a ceasefire of ten years or more should be accepted, because both politically and militarily the Israelis are overwhelming. They, above all others, bear the responsibility for ensuring that the deadlock point is overcome.
Jerusalem is already ethnically divided
Hamas will turn into a political movement, provided it gets the opportunity to do so. Such metamorphoses have often taken place in history. There must be a solution to the large problems - status of Jerusalem, settlements, right of return of displaced Palestinians – and they must be addressed urgently. Tony Judt says there will be no return of displaced Palestinians; conversely, it is time for the Jews to abandon their claims. Jerusalem is, as he says, already ethnically divided and, at the end of the day, will be the capital of both states. Israel cannot be spared of dark pages of its history and must come to terms with the past.
Thank God the Muslim immigrants in Europe have nothing to do with this dark history of Europe. But our new home obliges us bear and share responsibility with their history. You can not pick just the raisins. Therefore we are allies against any form of racism, anti-Semitism, but also Islamophobia. We will be part in dealing with history. But we will of course also show solidarity with the legitimate demand of the Palestinians. And so it should permitted for us to remember the "Nakba".
There is only one rebuttal to these outrageous claims as of today. I shall translate and post these as soon as possible.
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yes, Islam is like a time bomb waiting to happen - you never know when but you know for sure that sooner or later it is going to try to murder people you care about. Every Muslim has a gun pointed at every other Muslim's head, and if any one of them would actually refuse to give aid and comfort the any Koran inspired murder, they would all pull the trigger on each other - and if they did not pull the trigger, you can be sure that somewhere there would be a Muslim that would be willing to pull the trigger so that no "brother" would would pull the trigger on them. So, fear rules them all so that they all become murderers, or helpers of murderers - how could it be any other way? Think!! BAN ISLAM !
! ! BAN ISLAM ! !
Some fellow pigs and apes have complained about my calling believers in the Koran, "Musbots" and I apologized. But now I take it back - they do not believe in free will and they want nothing else but to be Robots for Allah! Hence, "Musbots". Here is what Robert Spencer wrote about their hatred of FREE WILL: Robert writes, "Amanullah's sole example of my alleged "varying degrees of misinterpretation" of sura 10 is this: "it's not 'up to Allah who believes and who doesn’t,' Robert... it's that humans have been given free will to choose their destiny." That refers to my gloss on sura 10:99-100, which goes like this: "If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe? No soul can believe, except by the will of Allah, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand."
Well, I'm sorry, Mr. Amanullah, but that just doesn't sound to me like an affirmation that "humans have been given free will to choose their destiny." It sounds like just the opposite. But don't take my word for it. Let's consult the Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs, which explains the passage this way (the parts in parentheses are the text of the Qur'anic verse): "(It is not for any) disbelieving (soul to believe) in Allah (save by the permission of Allah) save by Allah's will and given success. (He hath set uncleanness) He leaves denial (upon those) in the hearts of those (who have no sense) who do not apprehend Allah's divine Oneness. This verse was revealed about Abu Talib. The Prophet (pbuh) was so keen that he believes, but Allah did not want him to believe."
"Allah did not want him to believe." Did Abu Talib have free will? Apparently not. Ibn Kathir, in commenting on the same passage, refers us to Qur'an 35:8 and 2:272, which say that Allah leads astray whom he wills, and guides whom he wills.
In fact, in early Islam there was a controversy about free will and divine sovereignty, and the Qadariyya, the upholders of free will, emerged as the losers -- the heretical party. The Qur'an -- and particularly the Shia in interpreting it -- affirms that a person is responsible for his actions, but it also simultaneously affirms that Allah decides everything and guides everyone to truth or falsehood ("Allah leads astray those whom he wills, Qur'an 35:8). This is not quite the same thing as the proposition that "humans have been given free will to choose their destiny." If Mr. Amanullah would care to have a discussion or dialogue about this, I'm game -- and I promise him it will be a "surprisingly sedate" one.
Finally, he asserts: "Still, the idea of explaining the Qur'an in depth to an audience that is already predisposed to despise it is not a very efficient use of influence." That is not remotely my intention. I am trying to show any and all interested parties what is in the Qur'an, and above all how mainstream Muslim interpreters and authorities have understood those contents. Mr. Amanullah has tried but so far failed to document any inaccuracies in my presentation, although I invite him to dig further, and while I appreciate his concern for whether my use of time is efficient or not, I suggest that what is much more important is the actual content of the Qur'an and its implications for the modern world. Again, if he'd like to discuss that, sedately, I'm ready.
Posted by Robert at January 9, 2008 9:02 AM
in fact, I just apologized for the word, "Musbot" in order to sucker Naseem into revealing herself, but I do not want any of you to really believe that I am sorry at all!
Here is something that puzzles the hell out of me! I am an Islamophobe! Yet everyone I know who is against what the Koran clearly states (murder or enslave anyone who is not a Muslim as soon as possible) say they are definitely NOT Islamophobes! Are they crazy? Anybody in their right mind would be terrified of people who are told that it is a good and holy thing to be a cold blooded murderer! If not for themselves, at least for their families lives! I AM AN ISLAMOPHOBE, IF YOU ARE NOT YOU ARE STUPID! "I HAVE A BUMPER STICKER THAT SAYS, "IT'S THE KORAN STUPID!" So, I sleep with a gun under my pillow (I have neighbors).
I have neighbors who have a book directly from God which tells them that cutting throats of their neighbors is often a very holy thing to do and that God will reward them with beautiful female angels which they can mount and make bleed 72 times every 24 hour period. These angels are guaranteed to bleed every time they are mounted! Would you be scared of neighbors like mine? If not, you are truly insane! To be sane is to be an Islamophobe!
Typical Muslim revision of history.
They played a large role in the holocaust, The (not so)Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin AL Husseini volunteered his services to Hitler, met personally with Hitler and was put in charge of a Muslim Corps of the German Army:
http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/91867
http://www.pmw.org.il/bulletins-050802.html
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm
During World War II, al-Husseini was an important Nazi figure, working out of offices in Berlin. At one meeting, Hitler promised al-Husseini that as soon as the Nazis controlled the southern Caucasus, he would be put in charge of the Middle East with authority to wipe out Middle Eastern Jewry.
On the 10th of February of 1943 Hitler gave the green light for the creation of a division made up of Bosnian Muslims, whose main purpose would be fighting Tito's partisans in Bosnia. On the 13th of Feb., Himmler gave an order to SS Gruppenfuhrer (division-level general) Arthur Phleps, [German] commanding officer of the "Prince Eugene" SS division, which consisted of Yugoslav Volksdeutsche [Germans living outside post-Bismarck Germany. - J.I.] to immediately start recruiting.