Another Muslims lie: Islam was spread in the Indian Subcontinent and Indonesia peacefully. Was there ever been peace in Islam?
The time when Islam will be peaceful is when Islam will be no more
When muslims are confronted with the violent history of islam's barbaric raids on the peaceful countries of the Mideast, Spain, and Europe, they're quick to point to Indonesia and ask, did islam spread by violence there?
Well, yes it did. How could it be possible that a cult based on violence, be spread peacefully? It's against the logic and doctrine of islam itself. As they say, "The most beautiful woman can't give more than what she has."
The most obvious example that islam can't be spread peacefully, is mohammad himself. He tried to spread islam peacefully for thirteen years between his own people, and only succeeded in attracting 72 people, that included his family and the family of his 6 years old, "bride," Eisha. That's when he realized that the sword and cutting heads is the way to go.
It's always good to remind muslims that the man who raised mohammad, and was like a father to him, Abdel Mutalib, never believed muhammad, even at the last moments before his death, he refused muhammad's pleading with him to accept islam.
When muslims boast that no muslim leaves islam, remind them of the famous, "Apostasy war." When muhammad died, most of the muslims in Arabia rejected islam. Abu bakr, Eisha's father and first Caliph, waged against them ferocious wars to subjugate them by force and bring them back to islam in chains.
These are just elementary historical facts, from the islamic history books, to give the Western readers basic answers to muslims deceptive questions, or claims.
This article also exposes the hidden reality, only for those who don't know, of the support by the islamic governments and their political parties for the muslim terrorists, which are called, "Radicals," in the West. And we showed that clearly in our previous posting exposing the ethnic cleansing of the Copts of Egypt, and the silent holocaust of all Christians in every muslims dominated country.
Clash between fundamentalism and modernism
Opinion News - Saturday, June 14, 2008
Ahmad Junaidi, Jakarta
"Awas, ada orang Islam!" (Watch out, Muslims are coming!) is now a joke among activists after the brutal attack by members of the Islam Defenders Front (FPI) on participants of a peaceful rally organized by the National Alliance for the Freedom of Faith and Religion (AKKBB).
Some probably view the joke as blasphemy against the religion of the Prophet Muhammad but others might see a lesson behind it.
Traditional ulemas would quickly deny that Islam teaches violence, but progressive scholars directly condemn the attack and would admit the brutality has its roots in the religion's teachings.
It's probably not exaggerating to say that Sunday's rallies around the National Monument (Monas) in Central Jakarta were representative of a continuing battle between fundamentalists and supporters of civil society.
The FPI claimed their attack was provoked by newspaper advertisements by the AKKBB which, among other things, supported Ahmadiyah, a sect considered heretical by the Indonesian Ulema Council.
A national conservative newspaper (thank God, it's only one) even wrote, "Ahmadiyah is the problem", and blamed the government for not banning the religious sect.
The FPI, who joined another rally organizing a sharia-supporting group and protesting the fuel prices hike in front of the Presidential Palace, decided that beating infidels who commemorate the secular state ideology of Pancasila was more important.
In a soccer game, the FPI is probably similar to Zinedine Zidane, the French player who headbutted Italian defender Marco Materazzi for verbally offending him in the 2006 World Cup.
Religious violence is actually not new in Indonesia despite the claim that Islam arrived here in peace, brought by Indian Gujarat traders and propagated by preachers known as Wali Songo.
A newly reprinted book with the subtitle, Teror Agama Islam Mazhab Hambali Di Tanah Batak (Islam's Hambali School of Terror in Batak Land), by Mangaradja Onggang Parlindungan, described how puritans forced their beliefs and killed the locals in the 1800s.
Fundamentalism here has its roots in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, says Muslim scholar Azyumardi Azra in his book, The Origins of Islamic Reformism in Southeast Asia.
The current radical organizations are also led by ulemas (they called themselves habib) who have relations -- cultural and probably financial -- to the Middle East.
It's true the FPI is small -- and maybe frightful -- but some may view the fundamentalist group is part of a larger group, including political parties which are still hiding their eternal dream to change the country into an Islamic state.
Supporters of the AKKBB, many of them Muslims, view these groups as a threat to a pluralistic Indonesia, the idea of which has begun to dim in the hearts of its citizens, including its leaders.
Similar reasons could be used to understand why the police are also afraid to take actions against radicals who recently destroyed mosques and properties of Ahmadiyah members.
But certain officials might still think radical groups can be used to lessen their burden to maintain security.
We still remember the civilian militia groups (pamswakarsa) that were actually established to fight pro-reform activists in 1998. A military commander and a police chief reportedly helped establish the groups.
Like Soeharto who tried to attract Muslims due to the weakening support from the military near the end of his power, certain elements in the government might seek support from the FPI and other fundamentalist groups to maintain their power even while sacrificing the country's unity.
These power-greedy opportunists do not care about any ideology as long as they can be elected in the general elections next year.
They visited and showed sympathy to a radical leader, whose followers tortured AKKBB activists at the rally.
But with the support of diverse elements of civil society, including mass media, the incident could be used to strengthen our commitment to democracy, a political system which does not tolerate violence.
Let's make the Monas tragedy a stepping stone toward a more democratic country that protects diversity in term of cultures, and faiths, including differences within a religion.
If we fail to learn from the tragedy, we will witness more violence which could lead to the breakup of the country. We would see uniformity, instead of diversity.
If we ignored the incident, we will watch more and more goateed people in Pakistani attire carry sticks and beat others who considered heretical.
And the joke, Awas, ada orang Islam, is no longer a joke. The joke teller would probably be considered defaming his religion.
The writer is a journalist at The Jakarta Post. He can be reached at junaidi@thejakartapost.com
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“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” - Ayatollah Khomeini
Speaking of lies and liars, let no one forget that Naseem is a proven liar! She has haunted this site and other sites for a dogs age - but read below, see for yourselves:
Oh, Naseem ! I see you have said another typical Muslim Prayer for me - but proof is proof Naseem, here are your own words - here are your very lying words Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
There it is Naseem, and this brands you a liar forever doesn't it? Well, of course you are, after all, you are only doing what the Koran tells you to do, including your cursing of my mother whom you certainly do what to kill - and not just my mother, eh, Naseem? But also my grandmother and my children - no doubt you are ready to strap on your suicide belt. Just admit the truth Naseem, we Catholics know that all sin, but your sin can be made white as snow if you will just repent - confess Naseem, and you can come back into our hearts - but you are right Naseem, if you murdered my mother I would cry and cry and cry - and you say over and over again in your Mosque, "Thank you Allah, for this man believed you had partners and friends and relatives and Children and so his mother deserved to be murdered, or else die of the horrible cancer that I prayed she would die of."
June 13, 2008 10:23 AM
hal said:
Here is what Naseem called hal "son of a catholic christian bitch." Again, she reveals her true personality, and her true intentions toward us Christians - imagine what she would do to you if her and her gang could get their hands on you and yours (shudder !!)
Speaking of lies and liars, let no one forget that Naseem is a proven liar! She has haunted this site and other sites for a dogs age - but read below, see for yourselves:
Oh, Naseem ! I see you have said another typical Muslim Prayer for me - but proof is proof Naseem, here are your own words - here are your very lying words Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
There it is Naseem, and this brands you a liar forever doesn't it? Well, of course you are, after all, you are only doing what the Koran tells you to do, including your cursing of my mother whom you certainly do what to kill - and not just my mother, eh, Naseem? But also my grandmother and my children - no doubt you are ready to strap on your suicide belt. Just admit the truth Naseem, we Catholics know that all sin, but your sin can be made white as snow if you will just repent - confess Naseem, and you can come back into our hearts - but you are right Naseem, if you murdered my mother I would cry and cry and cry - and you say over and over again in your Mosque, "Thank you Allah, for this man believed you had partners and friends and relatives and Children and so his mother deserved to be murdered, or else die of the horrible cancer that I prayed she would die of."
June 13, 2008 10:23 AM
hal said:
Here is what Naseem called hal "son of a catholic christian bitch." Again, she reveals her true personality, and her true intentions toward us Christians - imagine what she would do to you if her and her gang could get their hands on you and yours (shudder !!)
Assalamau Laikum all,
It seems a shame that Hal hijacks each and every thread with boring and pitiful comments about me lying...it's ruining each thread...perhaps Ibn would like to remind commentators to remain on topic.
Nevertheless, thank you for your support regarding my departed beloved Anwer, womens of the world must stand up and defend each other against the tryanny depicted by sons born of christian sows.
Only Allah T'allah SWT unbderstands my loneliness and the pain of losing Anwer, whilst on business he was crushed and trapped for 2 days in the quake.
He was brought to hospital with damaged kidneys and punctured lung. Although kaffur medicine kept him alive for a year he eventually succummed to infection and coughing bouts.
It was sad to see him like that and I knew Allah T'allah wanted him by his side, we started to pray 5 times daily...and when really ill he would remain in bed and listen to me pray.
My Koran shariff is stained with my tears falling on the holy verses when I try to find solace.
ONLY a hideous and true kaffur like Hal would want to make fun of that. He announces himself as a catholic christian...but I understand from what the rest of you say that his behaviour is against your (refined) christian values....so infact HE is the perfect liar...hiding behind your Jesus PBUh and throwing stones at the dearly departed.
He needs a good verbal beating...and yours is a good start....come on the rest of you ...tell that evil kaffur...joust if you will ...but leave Anwer out of it.
Well, it seems that Hal, being too old fashioned, has offended Naseem and Marie. Might I suggest that perhaps they do not understand the Catholic Church and so think of me as someone who should be a pacifist. But we are not, therefore I can call someone who is lying, a liar, and that is my christian duty even if it hurts feelings - Nasseen calls me the son of a Christian, Catholic Bitch, and, lately, the one of the "sons of christian PIGS! - that should show you were she is at and where she is really coming from. She lied to manipulate us, that is a proven fact - now she says that even tho she lied, she is in fact banned from Posting on J W ! and so she is - but she promised them she would never post there again, so they closed the door on her forever - but the fact remains, she swore she would never post there again because she did'nt like them anymore. Marie is not a Catholic, but I suggest she learn a lot more about us than she knows, because there is a lot of difference between us and Muslims. I suggest you side with us - there is never a good excuse for lying and lies should be exposed - Naseem can always say she is sorry, but she won't do that when she has supporters like you.
yes Naseem, I hear you, I see what you really think of us, as you clearly say, "ONLY a hideous and true kaffur like Hal" would point out that, even tho the Koran allows and praises lying, the rest of the world reject it as mere savagery! But you got it right Naseem, I am a true Kaffur, and a loyal member of the club of the sons of Apes and Pigs! But most of all, I am an Islamophobe!
Do you really believe that Anwar is in heaven with his 72 raisins? Oh, Marie, o marie!
ONLY a hideous and true kaffur like Hal would want to make fun of that. He announces himself as a catholic christian...but I understand from what the rest of you say that his behaviour is against your (refined) christian values....so infact HE is the perfect liar...hiding behind your Jesus PBUh and throwing stones at the dearly departed.
He needs a good verbal beating...and yours Marie is a good start....come on the rest of you ...tell that evil kaffur.
Do you really believe Anwar is in heaven with 72 raisins?
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very simple I wd like to say in brief (am wearing a brief) lol. Islam is a piece of shit. Extremism, fundamentalism, Backward society, Illiteracy, Rape and Murdering by threwing stones, Misjudgements, No law, No courts, only Allah. Who is this shit ALLAH. Who is mohemmed. What it means. Who are they. I know they all are ass holes. Pardon my french.