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The whole truth about the butchery and desolation in the oldest Monastery in the world, Deir Abu Fana, in Egypt

The details of the Egyptian government conspiracy, on all levels, in their continuous efforts of oppression and ethnic cleansing of Christian Copts and Christianity in Egypt.

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Mubarak turned Egypt to a major islamic terrorists breeding country, starting by his security police, to please and cash from his Saudi masters and extort the West.

The ethnic cleansing of Christians in Egypt and in every muslims dominated country is the unmistakable sign of a coming Islamic upheaval in the West.

The diabolical double game of deception played by the Islamic world and performed,  according to mohammad’s famous doctrine, “ War is deception,” by the king of Saudi Arabia and Ali Gomaa, the Mufti of Egypt to anesthetize the Western world with peaceful words of interfaith dialogue, while pursuing the “cast in stone” dictum, confirmed twice in the Koran 2:193 and 8:39, “And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and all religion be to Allah (the whole world converted to islam.)

monk beaten and tortured.jpgThe dissemination of disinformation and lies by the major Western press agencies is a flagrant complicity with the Islamic world, that caused already in the Western world the slaughtering of thousands, destructions, and still misleading the Western public which will lead to more slaughtering and desolation, and ultimately to a conflagration with unpredictable consequences. 

The first hand account of the Abu Fana Monastery events

Since last Saturday, at 5 pm Egypt local time, we at –  Coptic News Organization - were in direct, nonstop contact over the phone with the monks in Abu Fana Monastery, 190 miles south of Cairo, monitoring the events, minutes after the indescribable barbaric  criminal attack by more than 60  muslims, round the clock, nonstop. We were over the phone, hearing the massive automatic weapons gun fire that you can have a glimpse of it in the video clip, which none of the so called major news agencies did.

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The thugs, the followers of the butcher of nations, the laughing killer (this is one of muhammad’s famous name) attacked the peaceful, harmless, and unarmed monks in their desert Monastery of Abu Fana that existed 300 years before the curse of islam reached Egypt, and again spread their butchery and desolation for the second time this year. We reported the last attack in January 13, 2008, and a similar incident took place in Minya in October, resulting in 20 people receiving injuries. In total, this is the eighteenth attack in the last four years by the same neighboring muslim gang lead by a well known ex-police informer, and not one of these muslim thugs were ever arrested or prosecuted.

Abu FanaImage013.jpgJohn 16:2:
“A time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.”        

Matthew 24

 "And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."

Matthew 7:15
[ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Results of the attack: 

- One church was set on fire; another one was destroyed to the ground, Bibles, crosses, Icons, holy utensils of the Altars were desecrated, spit at, thrown to the ground, stepped and urinated on.

- Four of the monks were shot and wounded. One was beaten with iron bars.

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(Father Bakhom ,Father Saweris , Father Veni , Father Micheal , And a fifth monk )

- Three monks and a Christian that was visiting the Monastery (Father Maximous, Father Yoanas, Father Andrawes, and the brother of Father Mina who was visiting the monastery at the time of the attack) were kidnapped. The three monks were freed from the hands of the muslim attackers and brought to the monastery the next day by the police, after thousands of angry Copts gathered at the diocese of El Minya, being aware of the extreme gravity of the kidnapping of symbols of the church, and the catastrophe it could cause in Egypt, and internationally due to the immediate reactions, and monitoring from all the Coptic organizations in the Western world. The condition of the three monks was extremely critical, they were barely alive, not able to walk or stand on their feet after they suffered indescribable torture for refusing to say the shahada ( Islamic profession of faith) and to spit on the cross. Every time they refused to recite the shahada they were stoned and even muslim women were spitting on them, putting sands in their eyes, ears, and mouth. They were lynched, lashed with electric cables, buried to their waist and stoned again, blind folded and attached to palm trees and beaten with wooden bats that crushed their back, arms, and leg bones. Their ears were cut; they were hit on their sexual organs. Islam and sex are inseparable (that’s one of muslims favorite treatment for kafirs), to refresh your memory, read about the Christian missionaries in Turkey, here.

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Nothing unusual here, it's perfectly in line with what they're told to do, according to the koran, 8:12, " I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them."   

The kidnapped Christian visitor, brother of one of the fathers of the Monastery, is still not accounted for.  According to the three other monks kidnapped with him, he was last seen by them being tortured to force him to recite the bloody Islamic shahada. The fact that no words or answers from the security police about his whereabouts, and the fact he was not brought back with the other three monks make us strongly believe that he was killed.

   

The question that all the Copts, whether in Egypt or across the world, are asking: If the police succeeded in getting back the three kidnapped monks, why they didn’t arrest the kidnapers and the attackers, and why the disappearance of the fourth kidnapped person is still unsolved?

- Several workers that were performing various jobs at the monastery during the attack were also wounded.

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- All the Monastery’s farms, including orange, citrus, olives, and mushrooms farms were destroyed and all farm buildings set on fire. These monks succeeded in the last ten years, with their knowhow, to set the standards for modern farming, and make the desert bloom in the land belonging to the Monastery, using the latest techniques to obtain results that could’ve been a model for all the desert land of Egypt, that represent more than 90% of a country where people are dying for a loaf of bread, and importing 75% of its food. But this is not how muslims think. Their prophet didn’t tell them to labor the land or to emulate other people success, but to steal it, same as mohammad exterminated the Jewish and Christian populations of Arabia to steal their lands and their properties. And what they can’t steal, they destroyed. That’s why their ultimate aim is the destruction of Israel for committing the biggest sin in the eyes of muslims, succeeding.

For muslims, this is called business as usual in our language. In their language it’s called religion, cast in their hateful, but “very holy” Koran by their thug prophet alter ego, allah himself.  In case you’re just getting acquainted with the religion of the prophet of thugs, and not to be accused of making this up, read it for yourself, Koran 33:27, “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before). And Allah has power over all things.”

- Chicken farm, fish farm, Honey bees, were set on fire and destroyed. They dynamited the fish farm in a way that the fish were sprayed on the surrounding land. No people on earth can compete with the followers of the prophet of doom in their hate capacity for what is good, and their love capacity for evil.

- The water station and irrigation lines were destroyed.

Abu Fana burned Church.jpg- Electric power generators were stolen, and power lines destroyed.

- Agricultural machinery and equipments were stolen or burned and destroyed (another mohammad’s islamic legacy).

- Construction materials and equipments were looted.

- Cell phones, Cameras, computers, money, and farms produce were looted.

 - Eight monks living cells and living quarters for visitors that come to the monastery for worshipping, and monastic life seekers that were not destroyed in the previous attacks were all burned and destroyed.

The police, located 4 miles away, was called as soon the attack started at 5 pm. They arrived at 9 pm despite hearing the gun fire sounds, same as us, over the phone, their perfect knowledge of the gravity of the situation, the history of all the destructive previous attacks, and knowing, " their friends, and associates," that are committing the attacks.

After the arrival of the security police at 9 pm, the attackers continued their shooting and destruction till 10 pm, while the security officers questioning and interrogating the monks.

No attempt by the police, neither in this attack or the previous ones, to arrest any of the attackers, whom they perfectly know, or even to launch any forensic examination, or report the attack to the district attorney. Instead, the police asked the monks to call and ask the Christian contractor responsible for building the wall around the monastery to come from his house, located 18 miles away. At his arrival, he was taken to the police station for questioning after assuring the monks that it’s only a matter of procedure that won’t take more than an hour. The next day, the contractor, that was 18 miles away from the monastery during the attack, was officially declared arrested and accused of killing one of the muslim attackers.

This has been the famous no brainer trick, and pattern used by the Egyptian authorities, for every attack on the Copts, during the last thirty years, to arrest Christian scapegoats and accuse them falsely with various crimes according to the situation, and then blackmail the Christian authorities of the church to drop the charges and the case against the muslim attackers, in exchange of the release of the Christian “scapegoats,” and a declaration that both sides were equally responsible.

Let’s assume that one of the attackers that shot and wounded four monks got killed from someone at the monastery, wouldn’t that be considered by all the laws of the world to be a legitimate self defense? When you’ll see the power of the gun fire attack in the video clip, you’ll be the judge to answer that question. 

The refusal of the district attorney to come to scene of the attack, the monastery, or to launch an investigation of the events.

- Through a phone conversation With Father Mina, one of the monks at the monastery, he Stated, “the police was so complacent, and several officers were just watching and laughing.”

 Neither the police, neither the justice department represented by the public district attorney produced any details about the alleged, “killed” muslim, or any forensic or medical examiner autopsy report.

El Menya governor, police general Diaa Eddin Mohamed Ahmed Khalil announced on all television channels, with a very straight face without blinking and with no apparent sense of shame, that, “both groups, muslims and Christian monks exchanged fire.” Without giving any forensic proof, except that one of the muslims got “killed.” He just forgot to mention that the only weapons the monks and priests used, all along the Coptic church 2000 years of history, is the cross, and their prayers.

In another television interview, he declared again that the monks opened fire on the attackers, and a muslim got killed. Adding, “this is just a skirmish between two neighbors about the right of ownership of a piece of land that has nothing to do with religion.”

Questions: Since the governor is aware of the existence of fire weapons in the monastery, where those weapons are, and how come the authorities allow monasteries to have fire weapons?  Doesn’t that simply means that the governor is not doing his job, and he’s not qualified for his position. But this also a coded message to justify attacks on Christian monastery and churches, since his declaration implied that monasteries are armed, and according to the shariaa law,  Christians are denied to carry, or to own arms. This is an extremely dangerous announcement that means monks and priests are armed and represent a danger to the country that should be fought and attacked. So any attack on a Church or a monastery can't be viewed as an attack on unarmed innocent people. 

The governor and the police authorities announced that, only, “one” muslim was a victim, from more than sixty muslim attackers, that should mean that all the monks were aiming at the same person all the time. What a coincidence?

The honorable governor, was making these statement as if he was the governor of Kabul or Kandahar in Afghanistan, and these are just normal events, or as he put it, “it’s just a skirmish between two good neighbors.”  Putting equally on the same scale a gang of terrorist killers and robbers, and peaceful loving monks that deserted the world for a life of prayers, worship and productive work to benefit the country.

 Saying that this, “skirmish,” have nothing to do with religion, is an indication from the governor that justice based on truth is not an option for the Copts in this case, as it was never an option for them since the barbarian hordes of mohammad brought their curse to Egypt 1400 years ago.  His declaration is meant to be the conclusion of the case, based on his own falsification of the facts.

The stupid question here is: when muslims have disagreements between themselves about a piece of land, do they attack, and shoot to kill each other with automatic weapons, kidnap, stone, lynch, lash, and crush each other’s hands and legs?

And assuming it is a piece of land disagreement between muslims and Christians, which is not the case,  is this is the governor, and the Egyptian government accepted standard to resolve that disagreement, by burning churches, kidnapping monks, forcing them to spit on the cross, convert to islam, cutting their ears, crushing their hands and feet, bringing women to fill their eyes, ears and mouth with sands, plus all what you’ll see in the video clip?

Let’s reverse the roles, and assume that the Copts attacked muslims over a dispute for a piece of land, and burned their mosques, destroyed their properties, spat on the Koran, cursed mohammad, kidnapped and tortured their imams to force them to convert to Christianity, shot and critically wounded four other imams, and caused what you will see in the video clip, would the honorable governor, the Egyptian authorities, and the media say that, “ this is just a skirmish between two neighbors that have nothing to do with religion?”

I guess you know the answer. For just a cartoon on a piece of paper, or few words on islam from the Pope of Rome in the context of an academic speech, they put the world on fire. They massacred Christians across the world, burned churches, bombed embassies with the latest one just few days ago, the Danish embassy in Pakistan with all the casualties and innocent victims blown to pieces. They terrorized, and still terrorizing the world with no end in sight. All this just for a cartoon on a piece of paper, how much more they would do if what they did to the monastery and the monks were applied on them by Christians, and by the Copts of Egypt? It’s no brainer, I wouldn’t even try to guess the number of Copts slaughtered or the number of churches put on fire. And it wouldn’t be only limited to Egypt, Christians would be massacred and churches would be put on fire in every Islamic dominated country.  They are already doing it voluntarily without any provocation. So imagine their delight to have this hoped for excuse to indulge and excel with the most religious zeal in applying what they worshipped and prayed for from birth, to kill, destroy, and spread desolation and more oceans of blood, all this and more while praising allah for giving them the opportunity to fulfill his curses on these cross worshippers. This was, and still is their major contribution to the world since 1400 years ago.

One of the muslims’ slogan that became famously known is, “first the Saturday people, and then the Sunday people.” It is clear that they are simply proceeding according to plan. They effectively cleansed the Saturday people from every muslims dominated country, and are now focused to finish up, what they started 1400 years ago, the Sunday people, to guarantee their place in their allah’s killers’ paradise.           

Another stupid question: why the Egyptian police didn’t produce, and expose to the world the weapons used by the “Jihadist” monks?  But again, what’s the use of asking stupid questions to the expert Egyptian police?

And what about the weapons of the muslim attakers? But that’s a very naïve questions.

Two fire trucks arrived, two hours after the police arrival, and after the fire consumed all what was meant to be burned.

No ambulance for the injured monks and they were taken to the nearest government hospital (Mallawi hospital) in a truck used for animal transportation. In the hospital, doctors refused to treat them, to abstain from issuing reports confirming the cause of the wounds. Which will be considered aiding the cause of the kafirs against muslims. We’re talking here about the noble medical profession and doctors that swore to uphold the Hippocrate’s Oath, but this is now the Egypt that produced the most famous doctor in the world that also recited the same oath, Dr. Al Zawahri.

As a side note, we have live recorded confessions from Egyptian ex-muslim doctors that rejected islam after they witnessed and documented the intentional murder of hundreds of Christian patients (that’s the number they personally witnessed, just in the hospitals they worked at), per year, in government’s public hospitals, by muslim doctors acting with a completely clear conscience, and even admitting it confidentially, but proudly between themselves, and praising allah for giving them the opportunity to do it “medically,” and professionally. Either by committing intentional errors during surgeries, or prescribing wrong medications based on erroneous diagnosis. It is also a known fact that the medical schools and the medical board in Egypt are totally controlled by the Muslims brotherhood.

Back to the events.

 The wounded monks and workers were then taken, after the intervention of Coptic authorities and lawyers, to El Minya city main Hospital. They were left in the emergency reception with no medical care, bleeding for four hours, and in urgent need of blood transfusions. The muslim “doctors” excuse was, “there is no blood at the hospital that correspond to the monks blood type.” Of course, their blood types is that of apes and pigs.

Immediately, our Coptic rooms on the Paltalk that were transmitting the events, nonstop, alerted the Coptic population and churches close to the hospital for the urgent need of blood donors. Within the hour, hundreds of angry Copts gathered front of the hospital, but were denied entry to donate blood by the police for “Undisclosed” security reasons.

Copts demanding justice.jpgWhile the condition of the wounded monks was deteriorating, the officials at the hospital announced that their injuries are very superficial, and only requires simple medical procedures.

That was Sunday 2 pm. At 2:30pm, Coptic Pope Shenouda’s office and the highest authority of the church in Cairo immediately arranged the transportation of all the monks and the other victims to a private Cairo Coptic owned hospital. At their arrival, they were all rushed to the intensive care unit, and all required extensive surgeries. In particular, two of the monks that were kidnapped required extremely complicated surgeries that lasted more than nine hours. One monk is still risking the amputation of his crushed arm, and another almost lost his site from being viciously hit on the head with the back of a riffle and the sand put in his eyes.

With the usual cover-ups and “Taquia” lies from all Egyptian government institutions and officials, the Copts of Mallawi and surrounding areas of Deir (pronounced: dare, meaning monastery) abu Fana in the province of El Minya, which has a high concentration of Copts that suffered the harshest oppression and losses in lives and properties from muslims attacks, and the government systematic persecution during the last forty years, and not one single muslim being condemned, started to gather on Sunday at the diocese Cathedral in protest, chanting in defiance, “ With our blood and soul, we will defend the cross,” and appealing to Hosni Mubarak, the president, to intervene and let  the truth and justice prevail, and save the country from an imminent catastrophe because, “ The Coptic hearts are on fire.”

The attack on Deir Abu Fana last Saturday followed the massacre of a Coptic jeweler and three of his Coptic employees on Wednesday in Cairo, and another Coptic-owned jewelry store was targeted the next day, Thursday, this time in the port city of Alexandria.

The security police surrounded the Cathedral, since Sunday afternoon and provoked clashes with the Copts protesting, peacefully, inside the Cathedral gates.

On Monday, the spokesman priest of the diocese of Mallawi announced that the presumed “killed” muslim victim was known in the area, and his father declared sometimes ago that he wanted to get rid of him for being gravely mentally retarded. The spokesman added that this person never set foot on the land of the monastery, and no corpse was ever found by the police on the monastery’s land. He stated, very bluntly, that this presumed, “victim,” has been definitely killed somewhere else, and the accusations of the monks by the police is another deception by the police authority of the province to blackmail the Copts.

On Wednesday, another dramatic event that had the effect of heating up the emotions and disgust of the Copts in El Minya province. In a village called Dafsh, about seventy miles from Mallawi, a twenty five year old muslim killed his twenty two year old Christian neighbor by stabbing him to death.

On Thursday, hundreds of Coptic youths started to gather front of Saint Mary’s and Saint George Church in the center of the village, protesting peacefully, and demanding that the killer be judged and punished. The riot police dispersed them on Friday morning, using tear bombs.

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Friday afternoon, they gathered again at the church in the afternoon for the funeral. After the burial, they were provoked and shouted at by muslim youths. The situation quickly escalated to clashes between the two groups that prompted a massive intervention by the riot police to disperse both groups and impose a curfew on the whole village. The police announced the arrest of the muslim killer and investigating the case.

Also Thursday: in the village of El Kosheh, which made the world news in January 2000, for, "The massacre of the millinium," was the scen of another dramatic events. A security officer driving his car, hit and killed a Christian copt, according to many eye witnesses. El Kosheh have a population of 35000 Christians and 5000 muslims. The police authorities provided witnesses testifying that it wasn't the officer driving the car.    

Today, Sunday: The Egyptian government media is still insisting  that the reason for the attack on Deir Abu Fana, was robbery, and to prevent the building of wall to protect the monastery. Religion and terrorism  were not an issue. The slaughtering of four Coptic Jewelers in Cairo was also for robbery. Denying the jihad terrorism against the Copts or Christians is the surest thing for it to continue. How they would fix something that doesn’t exist. No doctor can cure a disease if the patient deny he’s sick.

This is exactly what’s happening in the West. The war on terror is a deceiving term; it’s a war on the symptoms of terror, or the consequences of terror. When you eliminate cancerous cells on top of the skin you don't eliminate cancer, you have to extirpate it from its roots, or it will spread all over the body. They may succeed to destroy some  rotten fruits, but the tree is producing other fruits, every day. And the tree producing the rotten fruits is the koran, and islamic teaching. 

These are not just words; these are simple facts that doesn’t require a high IQ to figure out, and time will prove it.    

All what the Christians in Egypt and especially the monks in the desert, and native Christians in every muslims dominated country are looking for is their right to live and their freedom of belief. Is that too much asking?

Yes, it is too much asking according to islamic government, it's against islam. For them, the cornerstone of their religion is to kill all who don’t submit to their allah, Koran 9:29, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Muslims are the only people on earth that it's against their religion to, "live and let live." Their "faith," order them to live and kill, those who don't adhere to the same, "live and kill," doctrine.

The question of all questions, not only for us as Copts, but for the whole Western world, who are the real terrorists, the ones that pull the trigger and cause death and desolation, or the ones giving them the means, facilitating, covering up and blessing their actions?

The terrorists are not Bin Laden, Zawahri, Zarkawi and company. They execute what they were taught and told to do. They're just the foot soldiers. You can kill them all, it won't make a dent. The koran is producing thousands in madrassas all over the islamic world, and even in the Western world every day.  

Naïve those who will think that this is a remote Coptic issue, or that the silent holocaust going on against all Christians in muslims dominated countries is also a remote issue that doesn’t, and won’t affect the West. All Islamic governments, especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia are spreading the Islamic disease in every Western country through their well established bases, mosques, schools, muslim centers, islamic organizations and official missions. Jihad will always be their biggest export product, they have the money to finance it, as it is already happening now, and their people are already within us.

All these Islamic government officials, including their leaders (thugs), and their security apparatus that are the real instigators of Christians cleansing in their countries, whom they hate and consider them part of the Western kafir world that they’re aiming to Islamize, how is it conceivable that these same governments and their security apparatus cooperate with the Western governments or with their law enforcement agencies, with good faith, to fight Islamic terrorism against the Christian kafirs in the West, when their main focus is to eliminate the Christians in their own countries.

It is important to know that governors in Egypt are not elected, but are chosen by the president. In other words, the governor is only the mouth piece, and his declarations are dictated to him by the government and the president of Egypt. Never, in the course of these grave and terrorist events,  Mubarak, the dictator of Egypt and the lackey of his masters the Saudis, which his era has been one of the most oppressive for Christians, never intervened or ordered an investigation. Would he be that silent if this attack, destruction and butchery happened to a mosque or an Islamic institution?

As for the moderate muslims in Islamic countries or their brothers and sisters in the West, their answer is crystal clear: they agree, there is no persecution or ethnic cleansing for Christians in their countries of origin. But let what happened to the monastery in Egypt, or to Christians in every Islamic country, happen to them and their mosques in the West, and they would put the world on fire. No need to waste more time trying to define moderate muslims in the West. They perfectly defined themselves, and made it clear on whose side they are.  

These are the same Islamic countries that allowed the dancing on the streets, and distribution of candies to celebrate the 911 massacres, which they called, the Islamic conquest of New York.

Al Qaeda started from Egypt by Al Zawahri’s Islamic terrorist group,  

The Grand scale deceptions, and lies of the Egyptian Islamic government, the producer of the ideology of terror across the Globe was never limited to Egypt. Many people ignore that the ideology of Islamic terror and Jihad is spread to the world by Egypt’s Sunni ideologues from  Al Azhar University who sets the guidlines for all the Sunni world, and the Muslims Brotherhood who established cells all over the world, including America and every Western country to deflate their system from within.  Saudi Arabia’s role was, and still is to provide the financing.

 

The lies and deceptions about the Abu Fana monastery events, spread by the major Western press agencies  

By Agence France Presse (AFP). Monday, June 02, 2008

Deadly Muslim-Christian clashes in Egypt

MINYA, Egypt: One Muslim man was killed and four Coptic Christians, including two monks, injured Saturday when a land dispute involving a historic monastery in Egypt turned violent, a security official said. Khalil Ibrahim Mohammed, a Muslim resident of a town neighboring the Abu Fana Monastery near the southern city of Minya, was killed during clashes with Christians, the official said. The clashes broke out when the monastery began building a wall around neighboring property after receiving final approval earlier this year. Tensions often run high between Egypt's Muslim and Christian communities in an increasingly religious society dominated by Sunnis. – AFP

No mention of muslims attack on the Monastery, shooting to kill monks. No mention of kidnapped and tortured monks. They call it, “The clashes (instead of attacks)broke out when the monastery began building a wall around neighboring property after receiving final approval earlier this year.”  

According to AFP, the “Clashes broke,” when Christians began building …” That makes the Christians the guilty ones that provoked the clashes.

Christians didn’t go to clash with muslims, they were attacked in their own Monastery by muslim terrorists thugs. This should’ve been called: Deadly muslim attack on Christian monks in their monastery.

For disseminating this deception, AFP is very appropriate for: Another Foolish Posting  

 

REUTERS  

Sat May 31, 2008 6:37pm EDT

Egyptian Christians, Muslims clash, killing one

CAIRO, May 31 (Reuters) - One Egyptian Muslim was killed and four Christians were wounded on Saturday in a clash over disputed land near a Christian monastery in central Egypt, security sources said.

Muslim Khalil Mohammed, 39, was killed by gunfire, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity. At least two of the wounded Christians were monks at the monastery, the sources added.

The groups exchanged fire after Christians in the town of Mallawy, about 300 km (190 miles) south of Cairo, began constructing a wall around disputed land near the Abu Fana monastery, the sources said.

Same deception: Clash over disputed land. And then Reuters becomes the accomplice of the ultimate falsification of truth with this, “The groups exchanged fire.”

Reuters should’ve known better, that monks never carry weapons, and that the Egyptian Coptic Church has been called all along history, the Church of the Martyrs. All this proves one of three things, either Reuters people are accomplice, with the Egyptian government, in criminal cover-ups and deceptions with total disregard to the intellectual integrity of their readers. Or, they rely on sources that freelance for them in their free time, when not selling falafel and tahini sandwiches, or, their reporters job now is limited to copy and paste, which is exactly what happened. They should be called, Reuters C&P News  

That goes for all the so called major press agencies, that you wake up every morning to be fed on their disinformation and deceptions, especially when it comes to Islamic related news.

To summarize: the major catchy highlight of the news reported by those agencies is: Deadly muslim-Christian clashes in Egypt, Both groups exchanged fires, and one Egyptian muslim was killed. The rest is the trash stuffing.

If 60 Christians with Kalashnikov automatic weapons stormed a mosque, attacking 12 non armed imams. Destroying and burning the mosque and property, shooting several imams, kidnapping and torturing four of them. Several hours later, three of the kidnapped imams were found in critical conditions… etc.

Would the News agencies call this: Muslim-Christian clash? I doubt it, but you are the judge.

Or when you're in your house, and thugs come shoot at you, hitting you and torturing you to death, would you call that clashing with thugs? 

 

One of the most flagrant deceptions, caught and exposed to the whole world, which exposed the major press agencies disinformation industry, was the shameful fabricated staged scenario of “Al Dura,” affaire by France 2, one of the major French TV channels.

On May 21, 2008, the French Court of Appeals ruled that France 2 correspondent Charles Enderlin and his Palestinian cameraman and France 2 stringer Talal Abu Rahma, staged the “death” of 12-year old Mohamed Al Dura in September 2000 to smear the Israel Defense Forces and blacken Israel’s name, inciting further violence and fueling the second intifada.  

Middle East and media expert Tom Gross: "today's ruling shows there are serious doubts about France 2's version of events, and that the entire world press was irresponsible in being so quick to take at face value the claims of a local Palestinian cameraman, who has admitted his partisanship."

The question is: how many out there are disseminating their deceptions who haven’t admitted yet?

This past week has been very concentrated in events that kept us focused on a situation that is still boiling, and in our analysis, highly explosive. The radicalization in Egypt is gaining momentum and all signs are pointing to more dramatic, if not catastrophic events, and not only regarding Copts issues.  

But this only reinforce our resolve and perseverance to fight islam, destroy their evil ideology, and expose it more to the world. For us, and the Western world, islam doesn't offer any other option, even if Western governments don't realize it yet. With islam, what people or governments don't realize is totally irrelevant, and past history is best proof for that. How many times people don't realize many things, but it never immune them from the consequences

We have several hours of video footage showing more in details damages and the condition of the wounded and tortured monks and other workers, unfortunately we didn't had yet the time to subtitle them in english. What I want you to see in this video, from the minute 1:33, is the barbaric attack, the fire power of the attackers, the damage, and the scene of desolation of what used to be an Oasis of peace, serenity and blooming desert.

Part of the transcript (a monk in an advanced position describing to another father in the old part of the monastery the destruction and the attack over his cell phone). 

- Gun shots ... father .. father ... they're destroying the church of Pope Kyrollos (He was the previous Pope of the church till 1971, and one of the church Saint) .. father .. they're using the excavator to destry the building ... they're destroying the whole building ... they're also destroying the cells .. and the restaurant .. father .. they're going towards the honey bees building ... yes father .. oh Lord .. father .. they're destroying the honey bees building ...

The truth about the attack on Abu Fana Monastery 

 

 Testimony of one of the tortured monk

The father monks declared that they consider, "their torture to be a blessing they don't deserve for the sake of the faith in Christ." 

Part of the transcript of the fathers saying: the torture was in every way .. and using all means ... I was not able to walk .. they were hitting with woold bars and electric cables ... they were asking us to deny Christ and to spit on the cross .. every time we were saying, "Jesus Lord," they were saying let your Jesus help you ... we thank the Lord for this blessing ... we are not deserving ... (2nd father) they thought I was almost dead .. they made us lay on the floor and there were three men and some women hitting us too .. on the head and the back ... I couldn't move ... the women were hitting us for not saying the shahada ... they used many things ...

 

THE STATEMENT OF COPTIC ORGANIZATIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE ARMED ATTACK ON COPTS AND HOLY PLACES

The undersigned Coptic organizations condemn and deplore the barbarian and brutal attacks against the historical Abu Fana Monastery in Mallawi, Minya Province, Egypt. The attack began between 2pm-5pm on Saturday, May 31st, and continued through the night. It is important to note that this is not the first time the monastery has been exposed to such a brutal militant attack perpetrated by a mob. This militant attack took place in broad daylight directly under the sight and ‘protection’ of the security officers.

This armed attack on Abu Fana Monastery resulted in four monks injured by bullet wounds, and the kidnapping of three other monks: Maximos, Andraous, and Youanas. The three kidnapped monks were returned on Sunday, June 1st, after having been tortured and beaten. Injuries sustained by these monks include fractured and broken bones.

Roughly 60 aggressors, who carried automatic weapons, carried out the armed attack on the monastery. This attack resulted in great damage to the monastery, including the theft of equipment, burning and destruction of the monastery’s farms, and the complete destruction of the monastery’s farm equipment like tractors…

At the same time the 3 monks were kidnapped, a Christian man named Ibrahim Tiqi Riad, brother of Father Mina, was also kidnapped. His fate is still unknown.

Such crimes, including other armed attacks on churches and shops owned by Coptic Christians, take place in broad daylight in a planned, systematic manner that suggests that the target is genocide of the Copts in order to weaken their existence, eliminating them both morally and physically.

The undersigned Coptic organizations does not, and will not, tolerate these crimes and attacks committed against the Copts. These crimes and attacks are incompatible with all the international declarations for human rights. We will escalate our campaign to the highest international level.

Despite the seriousness of this matter, the authorities have failed to respond in a timely manner. The security service’s negligence suggests their collaboration with the attackers.

Because of the provocative statement made by Major General Ahmed Dia Eldin (the Governor of El Minya) that this incident is “an ordinary quarrel over disputed land between neighbors,” and that “fire was exchanged on both sides;” we assert that the monks were unarmed and do not own weapons. The attackers totaled approximately 60 people who were carrying automatic weapons. The Governor also alleged that one Muslim was killed during the attacks.

Note that these statements by the government will have a negative impact on the integrity and transparency of the investigation, and gives the State Security the opportunity to change the facts.

State Security Director Major General Mohammed Nour Eldin accused some monks with charges of “inciting” the Christian citizens to clash with other residents in Mallawi. It is totally illogical to attribute such things to the monks, who have dedicated their lives to quiet prayer in the desert.

We, the undersigned organizations, demand an appeal to the High Commissioner for Human Rights and the Human Rights Council to form an international fact-finding committee to ascertain the causes of the armed attacks against the property and lives of the monks at Abu Fana Monastery. We also demand that the Egyptian government takes action immediately to protect the lives and property of the Copts.

The undersigned organizations:

1. Coptic Association for Human Rights, Switzerland
2. Coptic Canadian Association
3. Copts-United, Britain
4. Coptic Assembly of America
5. Coptic Association of France
6. Coptic Organization of the Netherlands
7. Middle East Christian Union in Austria
8. The Voice of the Copts, Italy
9. Middle East Christians Association
10. Christian Copts of California 
11. The Cultural Organization of Coptic Intellectuals, France
12. Australian Coptic Organization
13. The International Coptic Union
14. The Austrian Coptic Organization
15. Coptic Assembly of America, California Chapter
16. The Word Center for Human Rights in Cairo
17. Free Copts
18. International Christian Union of USA
19.  American Coptic Association

20. Coptic News Organization

Mr. Hanna Zaki, Selim Naguib, and Awad Shafik, Attorneys at Law, will be responsible for filing the international complaints.

 

We invite all free people of the world, aware that the spreading danger of islamic terrorism and its lethal and growing threat to the Western world, to expose to all International Organizations as well to their own governments, the perfid hypocrisy of the Government of Egypt.

Let me remind you again, this is not only a Coptic issue. The muslim terrorists that attacked, and massacred Copts in the 80's and 90's, are the same that organized and committed the 1993 first World Trade Center bombing and 911, Egyptian sheik Mohammad Abdel Rahman (the blind sheik), serving a life sentence in America, and Mohammad Atta, the leader of the 911 operation. These terrorists in Egypt could land in America or any Western country tomorrow, or their brothers may already be in your neighborhood. Their hate for the Copts for being Christians is part of their hate for you. Have no mistake about it, fighting terrorism in Egypt prevent those terrorists from coming to you. Remember, terrorists are globalist.

The Egyptian government has been receiving more than two billion dollars from the American tax payers for the last thirty years, during the same period it produced more terrorists than ever before. It is also receiving substancial donations from practically every Western country.

You can't be that naive not to know that all this terrorist activities are done with the implied complicity of the government of Egypt. The government never condemned any terrorist for killing Christians. It applies the sharia law, "No believer should be killed for the blood of a kafir."

When a government willfully neglects to prosecute a terrorist crime, The government becomes the prime perpetrator of the crime. By its inaction she condones the commitment of such a crime and asserts her implied consent.

 

Fighting islamic terrorism requires action, it won't go away by only talking about it. The only reason we talk about it is to instigate the people to action.

Have the spirit of a soldier, and send this to your government officials, representatives, and all relevant organizations in the list, to show them how the double face Egyptian government is one of the main global terrorist breeders. As I mention earlier above, islamic terrorism is not the foot soldiers, it's the governments, and Egypt is the major player.

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Let's conclude on a sentimental note for you and all your loved ones 

Koran 8:60, "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies, of Allah (all non Muslims) and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the Cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly."

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Naseem said:

Assalamau Laikum all,

I am indeed very sorry to read of the plight of your holy fathers and your holy buildings.

I would like to know why, the fathers must have said or done something... something to offend, these things don't just happen.

I am sure that the moderns sons of Egypt are proud of their heritage too....Alhumdulilla!!!!....something must have happened prior to this abuse...please fill in all the details from both sides.

trackinsnow said:

Naseem,details from both sides are there,you obviously did not read the article,i do not accept your weak apology,look towards your brothers and your filthy koran for the answers you seek.

Lorenz Bouchard (Seamystic) said:

This evil that is Islam must be defeated physically.
Remember Archangel Michael declared War against Lucifer in the Heavens, we must declare War against Islam on Earth.
Unite under Archangel Michael's banner.


Ban Islam for past and present War Crimes

Muhammed: The Con Man and False Prophet


As we are against terrorism in the world for the ultimate survival of our society, I’m offering viewpoints to win the battle against Islam’s goal of world domination, which is stated in their writings.

Muhammed and his sayings, found in the Koran, Hadiths, Sunnahs and Surahs, are the root of Muslim terrorism.

With truth and reality, we must discredit the founder of Islam, his sayings and the belief system that spawns this terrorism.

Let the world know that Muhammed, while in Medina, organized raids on camel trains hauling trade goods, and received twenty percent (20%) of the ill gotten loot. The spiritual mechanics of functioning as a Prophet does not mix with being a thief and killing for wealth.

Let the world know that Muhammed betrothed a six year old (6) child , in her ninth year (9) consummated their marriage sexually. He was in his fifties (50’s) at the time. The inner development of a Prophet does not function with paedophilia. Muhammed was a Paedophile. He claimed that Aisha was his only wife that caused him to experience revelations while under the blanket with her. Muhammeds counsel to others and actions, legitimized paedophilia through Islams ideology. What was the source of Muhammeds revelations as a Paedophile? All this is stated in th Hadiths and Surahs.

On returning to Medina after taking Mecca, he attacked one of the Jewish tribes, the Qurraysa. After 28 days of siege, the Jews capitulated. Muhammed immediately ignored the terms agreed upon as part of their surrender. He ordered and watched as all males from puberty on were beheaded in a trench. Their families were made to watch this slaughter of the male children and men. Some of the women became hysterical while watching the beheading of their husbands and sons and were also beheaded. During the slaughter, Muhammed spotted a beautiful Jewish girl and selected her for his sex slave. Her name was Rayhannah. She had to watch while her mother and sister were raped. Her sister was traded as a slave for arms which is stated in both the Hadiths and the Surahs. There were three tribal groups of Jewish origin and belief in Medina at that time. Those that weren’t killed or sold into slavery were forced out into the desert to die.
These atrocities are the actions of a demonic fiend not a Prophet.

Muhammed also encouraged and rewarded many assassinations in his lifetime. Murder is not an activity of a Prophet.

The fantasy paradise that Muhammed developed to entice the itinerant, uneducated Arabs to Islam is a personal bordello. This paradise in the hereafter shows a sexual fixation and addiction in the spirit of Muhammed. This is not the development of a spiritual Prophet. This demonic personality is no doubt the most successful con man ever. Muhammed has been more successful than Hitler and the Nazi movement in longevity, size of his organization and hatred of the Jews.

Compare Muhammed to all former Prophets and founders of great religious movements, East and West, and it easily shows us how debased he was. His organization was developed by tacking spiritual words to robbery, killing, conversions by the sword and terrorism with Fatwas which are all fiendish acts. This activity by his followers is presently seen on television clips with kidnapped, innocent people being beheaded in praise of Allah.

Last but not least, Allah was one of over two hundred and fifty (250) idols in the Ka’aba. After taking Mecca, Muhammed destroyed all other tribal idols except for the Quraysh tribe’s idol and pronounced Allah the one and only God.

I believe that, in warfare against terrorism, we must attack the heart and not just the tentacles of Islam with truth. We must not let this perversion of religion spawn numberless adherents to Muhammed’s words to expand their terrorism. We must confront terrorism head on.

When combating Evil remember: Appeasement is like feeding a steak to a tiger in the hope that it will eventually become a vegetarian.

International Ban Islam petition:

http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.html

Canada’s for debate in the House of Commons:

http://www.petitiononline.com/GUARDIAN/

Guardians of Democracy site:

http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/

Unfortunately, Muslims in debate or negotiations are forced to LIE to preserve Islam’s integrity. This noble Islamic activity is called “TAKIYA”.


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Naseem said:
Assalamau Laikum all,

I am indeed very sorry to read of the plight of your holy fathers and your holy buildings.

I would like to know why, the fathers must have said or done something... something to offend, these things don't just happen.

I am sure that the moderns sons of Egypt are proud of their heritage too....Alhumdulilla!!!!....something must have happened prior to this abuse...please fill in all the details from both sides.

You are a liar. It is obvious the Monks were attacked because they are Christians.

Also if they did something to instigate the attack, then why were they kidnapped and tortured? Why did their captors try to force them to say shahada?

Lady you are living in a fantasy land.

Junior said:

There are no words to describe these horrors, or the wrath the Muslims so richly deserve for their blasphemies. But the monks don't forget Jesus' command to love those who persecute you and pray for those who spitefully use you. They will be richly rewarded in front of all humanity for their loyalty to the Lord.

The Copts are spiritually tough, it's no wonder they are able to produce Christians like Matta El Meskeen (Matthew the Poor) and these monks.

Let's pray for the Copts and live holy lives so God will hear us.

hal said:

Naseem is a liar, a proven liar - she said Robert Spencer expelled her from posting on JW when he certainly did not - she lied, it was Naseem herself who quit JW forever and then tried to get our pity by simply lying about it - Muslim style(that is, for Allah it is alright to lie to anyone who can't see the Koran as the ruler of the world 100%'s worth!) And then she told this stupid lie about the 72 virgins being in reality just 72 really great raisins - she wanted us to think that the suicide bombers got a handfull of raisins instead of 72 whorii's that bleed everytime you have sexual intercourse with them (which is 72 times a night)! She said this because her husband had just died and she couldn't stand to admit to us that he was in heaven making 72 whorii bleed a lot many, many times every night. So, she is a revisionist! She claims that the Christian that wrote the book was an extremely wise man who agreed with the best teachers among the Muslims - this was a lie, and now according to the Koran, that book of murder and revenge, Naseem herself is on the holy hit list. Now she dares to show her face here again - hoping that everyone of us will forget that she is a very bad liar - a very bad BIG liar. She is usless to us, you can't trust a word she writes - she is a liar, and now even Allah hates her -- raisins indeed! Naseem is hoping that she will be made the 23rd whorii, so she will get a turn with her dearly loved departed who died in a landslide because of a great Earthquake - or else he just left because he found some cute whorii's closer at hand , making poor Naseem invent her earthquake story to cover up the embarrassing truth, Muslim style!

jdamn13 said:

Nasseem, you are as illiterate as your average Egyptian for sure. Here's a little background for your unbelievably ignorant ass about dhimmitude, retard: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788509/posts

Hey, ever notice how there used to be lots of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, etc., but now there aren't? Ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to just look around and think for a second? Ever notice how all those countries were much better places, and not resigned to being backassward medieval hellholes once upon a time? Didn't Ibn say that the monks were not allowed firearms and that the only weapons they used were the teachings of Jesus Christ, dumbass? Did you read the part about their institutional genocide in the hospital? I'm astounded that you could even turn on a computer. Must have posted from a library.

Tim said:

The shame of Islam knows no end. Attacking Monks is disgusting. How can anyone justify this attack? Where are the Police or is it Police and law for only for Muslims?

SHAME on Egypt, SHAME on Islam, SHAME on Mubarak, SHAME on the local people for not protecting neighbours, SHAME on the Police they are not worth their name or their pay. SHAME on the Governor. SHAME you have no honour. Your SHAME is before Allah, who remembers all your actions, FEAR your day before Allah.

Ben said:

This disgusting sacrament of Isdamn must not be covered up. I published links on 5 blogs and blurbed one of them at Real Clear Politics. I also sent a blistering email to my Representative, Senators & Shrub, disrespectfully demanding the termination of aid to Egypt. Congress.org has a facility that lets you write 3 email at once. If you click the Letters to Leaders option, the public will be able to read your email.

Walid said:

Prophet of thugs,

Well, I think you are hired to start the deviation between Egyptians, from a musilm point of view; those monks must have said or did something related to muslims. after all we all must be sorry for what happened and wish that all of us be aware of the plan to divide Egyptians.
belive me all, nothing wronge with both relisions, since when and you are supporting jews and the poor israelies, on the top of that you are twisting the facts by picturing muslims as israelies ??
wake up man; they are killing and raping your christian fellows also in Phalastine. or maybe forgot that they killed your jeasus also.

what are you charging to post such a hostile article? who is paying you ? what is the benefit of motivating the hostility and hate between Egyptians ? do you want Egypt to be rolled or occupied by Israelis like palestine ?

please swallow you ego, and lets live together, my best friends are Christians and I love them and respect there feelings also. so please do so and try to reduce the amount of hatred in your heart.

God bless you all

Naseem said:


Assalamau Laikum all,

Some interesting thoughts by you…and I would like to take issue with a couple of them.

Hal, give it up, your nonsense about JW is lies…I am banned, I cannot post as Naseem….so I no longer bother. And you have no right trying to hurt me by having a dig at my beloved Anwer….he is not here to defend himself….so leave him out of it.

You line of liar, liar liar…is wearing thin and boring….talk….don’t lecture.

As you know I am Ahmadi muslima…we have had our fair share of problems like the copts….but we try to ride it.

This problem for us has to do with the draconian presidential Ordianance XX (twenty) of 1984, imposed by the late Gen. Zia-ul Haq (and still in place), which criminalized the practice of Islam by members of the Ahmadiyya Community. According to the amendment in article 298 of the Pakistan Penal Code any Ahmadi who directly or indirectly posed as a Muslim by words either spoken or written or by visible representation, or in any manner whatsoever, is liable to rigorous imprisonment for a period of three years and to a fine.
Many Ahmadis went to jail for saying “Assalamu Alaikum” (Peace be upon you) to Muslims, and for displaying the Kalima “La Ilaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasoolullah” in their stores, etc.

However I am not too worried….for I know that all will be judged by Allah and I will not shirk on talking about who is or is not a real Muslim. The issue is one of justice, survival and being chosen.

Many of you say that muslims do not use their brain. The religion of Islam and the Holy Quran however, completely oppose this point of view. For example, when it comes to preaching, the Holy Quran states to “Call on to the way of Allah with wisdom and goodly exhortation and argue with them in a manner that is best.” (16:27) Allah Ta’ala also says, “And we have not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between the two but in accordance with the requirements of wisdom.”…so please remember this and do not ignore our discussions.

Now Jdamn13 asks me….”Hey, ever notice how there used to be lots of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, etc., but now there aren't”?

Well Jdamn I not only notice …but actually I know quite a lot about this. I was trying to imagine how this would have happened on the ground in detail.

Take the generic case of a Copt Christian man called IBN who converted to Islam. This man would have lived any time between 700AD to the present day. The story goes like this.

Ibn comes home one day wearing a Muslim skull cap. His wife asks him….”who R U, and why have you come to this Christian house?”

Then she recognises him, hand on breasts, deep breath …she says….”OH! IBN…you scared me…and why are you wearing that prayer cap…take it off …it’s nearly time for mass”.

The man replies…”My name is Abdullah now….Ibn has gone for eternity”.

His wife knows that Ibn has a sense of humor…”Oh come on IBN, stop it now”.

MAN….You need to listen carefully now …”I am Abdullah…only Abdullah…I have been to the mosque, taken the Shahada, Allah SWT is my (new) Lord and the Rasool is his messenger, I have seen the light….and I have brought you a present”

She is nervous now….and opens the parcel with trembling hands…and it is a brand new black jilbab…..”For you my dear….and hence forth you will be known as Naseemah”, the little ones will be Aesha and Hamid…..you will love the sahada …I will take you tomorrow”.

She could only blurt out…….”IBBBBB”…I mean “Abdu…”…I mean ….and then she started crying….”WHYYYYYY!”

Abdullah said….”Stop your wailing woman, Allah SWT has shown himself to me, Jesus has abandoned us …where is he….we have been suffering for hundreds of years….we have no salvation, he’s not coming….no our salvation lies with Allah SWT ….Alhumdulilla!! I have never been happier”

However being a woman she decided to take the “argument” to bed….a nice bit of love making and I will turn his mind….yet when she touched his manhood…he screamed in pain….”careful Naseemah!”….I have also had the kitnannan today (circumcision).

It was at this point that she knew her Coptic Christian days were over, she soon started to wear the Jilbab, and Abdullah introduced her to his second wife Laila…and they all live together as a loving large family in Egypt.

Abdullah is altogether happier now, with new friends, he does not bother with his little government job any more…..he prays 5 times and reads the Koran as often as possible….he is fast becoming a muslim scholar.

Now Damn13…if you can imagine this loving scene all over the ME , you can see the virtual demise of Christianity over there.
Muslims prefer to live amongst Muslims and to borrow from Porsche advertisement, there is no substitute.

The Christians who converted knew this too….I hope this answers your question.

hal said:

Naseem ! such ignorance of your own beloved religion is painful for us to behold - please, go back to believing that your departed husband is wallowing in virgins - look at what you are doing - change or soon you will be raisin number 73 - there is no 'raisin ' in Islamic literature or traditions - you are guilty of Blasphemy - don't believe me? Well, just read below! By the way, you said you were going to answer Ibn's long work up on you! But you have not - obviously you can not return an answer on even one small thing! Also, why did you say you were Banned when you quit JW on your own? Ah, Naseem, my slim little raisin #73.

Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.

Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

hal said:

Naseem (And Everybody) Here is perfect proof that Naseem is a liar who is clearly and forever CAUGHT and exposed! Why does she keep lying even though she is naked in her stupid and horrible lies? Because that is what all Muslims do! Not only to us, but lying is a way of life with most of them -- once again, Here is the undeniable proof that Naseem is a liar - and there is more proof than this even -- even Anwar is wincing under the avalanche, or under the covers of his new "wives"
READ THIS "Naseem ! We all remember well that big fat lie you told on J W Spencer about how you were "Banned" So, just to remind you that we remember that you are a liar, and to ask you why do you not do the same favor for us as you did for Spencer and his posters? Here it is Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...

This is my ever last posting here on JW

It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...

know that like the ex